atteinte à l’ordre public

English translation: public order offence

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French term or phrase:	atteinte à l’ordre public
English translation:	public order offence
Entered by:	AllegroTrans

15:13 Jul 27, 2020

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Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s)

French term or phrase: atteinte à l’ordre public

I know! ... it's in the archives already, in the EN -> FR direction. Please have the indulgence to hear me out!

Online service agreement relating to a Web application.

"BON USAGE DE LA PLATEFORME

Compte tenu de la nature et de la finalité de la Plateforme, l’Utilisateur doit agir en qualité de professionnel pour les besoins de son activité professionnelle.
L’Utilisateur s'engage à n'utiliser la Plateforme que pour ces seuls besoins exclusivement.
L’Utilisateur s’engage à utiliser la Plateforme conformément aux CGU, dans le respect des lois et réglementations applicables.
Il est strictement interdit d’utiliser la Plateforme aux fins suivantes :
produire des interférences avec la Plateforme ou d’y accéder en utilisant une méthode autre que celle prévue aux CGU et les instructions qui sont mises à sa disposition l’exercice d’actions illégales, discriminatoires, frauduleuses ou portant atteinte aux droits ou à la sécurité des tiers,
l’atteinte à l’ordre public ou la violation des lois et règlements en vigueur,"

In the EN -> FR archive entry this translates "breach of the peace". I was a bit puzzled at the idea that this might be the best way of putting this here in English. To me "breach of the peace" mainly suggests constables arresting drunken youths on Saturday nights in small English market towns.

Looking up the Wikip entry for breach of the peace, I find to no great surprise that it is somewhat broader than this. And also rather odd:

1) "In England and Wales, breach of the peace is a civil proceeding (rather than a criminal offence), although the case must be proved to the criminal standard of proof, 'beyond reasonable doubt', rather than the civil standard of proof, 'on the balance of probabilities'." Conversely, "atteinte à l'ordre public" appears, from what I can see to be covered by the Code Pénal, thus presumably (?) automatically making it a criminal offence.

2) The only punishment for "breach of the peace", in England and Wales, is to be "bound over", which has always sounded a bit kinky to me. But, according to the learned authority that Wikipedia may not be: "that is, justices of the peace can require a person to enter into a recognizance to keep the peace". That's the only possible sanction.

I went to Légifrance pour Code Pénal ( here : https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCode.do?cidTexte=LEGITE... ) ... and searched on "ordre public". Lots of articles were listed but none that I looked at talked specifically about atteinte à l'ordre public.

So what does atteinte à l'ordre public in fact mean, what actions or offences does it cover, and what are the possible punishments for it? Perhaps this might lead to a suitable translation. Which may indeed be "breach of the peace", although somehow it looks more serious than that.

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public order offence

Explanation:
Your question "So what does atteinte à l'ordre public in fact mean, what actions or offences does it cover, and what are the possible punishments for it?" is really outside the scope of this forum, but I believe "public order offences" is the most suitable translation.

Définition de l’ordre public

Difficile de parler de trouble à l’ordre public sans donner une définition de l’ordre public.

Présente dans la plupart des Codes juridiques, la notion d’ordre public définit tout simplement la paix sociale, garantie par la sécurité publique et le respect d’un certain nombre de lois. L’ordre public peut ainsi désigner l’ensemble des règles qui régissent la vie en société.

Il est évident que la notion d’ordre public est très vaste, à tel point qu’il existe de multiples manières d’être coupable de troubles à l’ordre public. La police administrative a justement pour rôle de maintenir l’ordre public, et peut pour cela procéder à différentes mesures, à l’instar de la garde à vue.

cartwrightking.co.uk › criminal-defence › public-order...
There is a wide range of offences set out in the Public Order Act 1986, which make many different kinds of behaviour criminal offences. They usually refer to the use of or threat of violence or harassment towards someone else, in a public place.

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AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:22

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4 +4

public order offence

AllegroTrans

4 +2

breach of public order

philgoddard

breach/breaking of public order

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón

breach of public policy (acting contra bonos mores)

Adrian MM.

Discussion entries: 2

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5 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

breach of public order

Explanation:
Or crime against public order.

"Crimes against public order are violations that interfere with the normal operations of society. These crimes go against publicly shared values, norms, or customs.

"A public order crime does not require an identifiable victim. Individuals can be charged with public order crimes if their conduct or acts are considered “harmful to society.”
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/crimes-against...

philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 317

7 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

public order offence

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 527

Grading comment

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12 mins confidence:

breach/breaking of public order

Explanation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-order_crime

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 10:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4

5 hrs confidence:

breach of public policy (acting contra bonos mores)

Explanation:
In descending of CL - confidence level: 4-3-2-

Breach of the peace, though, might well be an upshot of 'revenge porn', plus breach of or impingement on get round the US vs. UK spelling conundrum of offense vs. offence-

Example sentence(s):

IATE: atteinte à l'ordre public en offense against public policy
Shaw v DPP [1962] AC 220. Conspiracy to Corrupt Public Morals – Prostitution – Public Morals – Court’s Ability to Create New Offence. Facts. The defendant created magazines, which contained personal adverts for prostitutes.

Reference: http://iate.europa.eu/search/standard/result/1595880434313/1

Adrian MM.
Austria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 86

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

disagree

Eliza Hall: Public policy and public order are two different things.

20 hrs

-> Public order in the UK means police and the security forces keeping the peace and stopping protesters marching up and down the street. // You've really put a spanner in the works again.

agree

Wordwatcher: Public policy is the usual translation for "ordre public" - "public order" is sometimes correct but less often

11 days

-> Thanks Ian. I had been hoping you would come in with an EU / ECJ decider of this web-application contract-context. It's otherwise basic first-year ELS - English Legal System and public law and 'order'.

neutral

Daryo: I very much doubt that "revenge porn" is part of this story - nor prostitution - as long it's not conducted in public spaces

52 days

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