el fondo no sería real

English translation: the fund would not show a true picture

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Spanish term or phrase:	el fondo no sería real
English translation:	the fund would not show a true picture
Entered by:	Manuel Aburto

18:42 Sep 20, 2020

Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Finance (general) / Revolving fund

Spanish term or phrase: el fondo no sería real

Buenos días,

Estoy traduciendo un manual sobre políticas y procedimientos financieros; sin embargo, he encontrado partes en el documento que me dan la impresión de que el documento es una traducción inversa de inglés al español, o el traductor no estaba bien familiarizado con la terminología financiera y contable. A continuación un extracto del documento:

Cuando hablamos de balanza, se entiende que la suma de los saldos (Debe y Haber) deben ser iguales. Si en caso esto no sucediese, el fondo no sería real, por lo que se tiene que revisar. En el caso que existiese un auxiliar del inventario, se debe estar seguro que los valores reflejados sean al costo de adquisición y que coincida con la cuenta global reflejada en la parte contable

Observaciones:
En mi humilde opinión, si se está elaborando un manual sobre políticas y procedimientos financieros se evitan expresiones como:
1. "**Cuando hablamos** de..."
2. "el fondo **no sería real**..."
3. " reflejada **en la parte contable.**" [muy ambigua, o esa es la impresión que me da]

Mi traducción de dicha parte es la siguiente:

In the [trial] balance, the addition of the debit and credit balances must be equal; otherwise, the [revolving] fund would not be real/exist; therefore, it must be checked. If there were an inventory subsidiary ledger, one should make sure that values shown [in the ledger] are the procurement/acquisition cost, and they should match the global account shown in the accounting part

De nuevo, agradezco todos sus comentarios y respuestas al respecto.

Saludos

Manuel Aburto KudoZ activity Questions: 1370 (1 open) (39 closed without grading) Answers: 188 Nicaragua
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the fund would not show a true picture

Explanation:
No need to worry about the stylistic niceties in creative-accounting Spanish as the general picture needs to be looked at, namely the wood for the trees.

One thing is for sure, real means neither right-royal nor regal, nor be recordable as an 'impersonal' account.

La balanza could be asked in a separate question, but seems to be a balancing 'exercise' or 'act'- namely, a positive vs. negative balance - rather than a trial balance.

Selected response from:

Adrian MM.
Austria

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3 +2

the fund would not show a true picture

Adrian MM.

3 +1

the bottom line wouldn't balance (out)

David Hollywood

the fund would not be real

Lisa Rosengard

Discussion entries: 7

Manuel Aburto

Nicaragua

ASKER

23:33 Sep 21, 2020

Nicaragua Adrian,

I do apologize for the late reply.

Adrian MM.

Austria

Source country ?

10:20 Sep 21, 2020

- Nicaragua, Mexico or Equatorial Guinea etc We ought to be wary of censuring certain varieties of Spanish as 'wrong' in the same way as Scots legal English is branded as 'incorrect', even by Anglo-Scottish Solicitors - in my experience, the latter never has been.

Obiter, I read real to mean realistic rather than break-even in this context

David Hollywood

03:02 Sep 21, 2020

no question that this is not correct Spanish so we can have a stab at polishing but won't be more than a guess

philgoddard

United States

20:46 Sep 20, 2020

Thanks!
You could make an educated guess and say "the fund has not been correctly balanced".

Manuel Aburto

Nicaragua

ASKER

20:00 Sep 20, 2020

Hi Phil,

Actually they refer to a "fondo revolvente", for that reason I added "[revolving]" in brackets.

FONDO RESOLVENTE
El Fondo Revolvente es un fondo que se origina por la donación de fondos y que su crecimiento está dado por la venta de ciertos productos de consumo. El monto está definido por los siguientes conceptos:
Efectivo en Banco
Inventario

Dentro de la estructura contable, el Fondo Revolvente debe estar constituido por cuentas específicas que se identifiquen claramente dentro de ella. Cabe señalar que como todo fondo de la Institución, el Fondo Revolvente origina una obligación (Pasivo) como procedencia del fondo inicial o fondo semilla.

Then a table below shows:

[Column 1]
Nombre de la cuenta
Efectivo en caja y banco
Efectivo en banco
Cuenta de ahorro. Fondo Revolvente

[Column 2]
Debit
XXX

[Column 3]
Credit

Final row (Saldos iguales)

Then, that is why I believe it refers to a balanza [de comprobación], or trial balance.

I am not sure, but if it is a backtranslation it is a bad one, as you say; or the accounting and finance vocabulary of the translator was very limited.

philgoddard

United States

19:33 Sep 20, 2020

Where does "revolving" come from? Is that mentioned elsewhere in the document?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_fund

philgoddard

United States

19:31 Sep 20, 2020

I agree that it seems odd. It's also not clear what "balanza" means - if it were trial balance or balance sheet, shouldn't that be "balance" in Spanish?

If it is a back translation, or just a bad one, are you sure it's from English? Is this from a company in an English-speaking country?

You could just translate "el fondo no sería real" as "there is something wrong"!

Answers

7 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

the fund would not show a true picture

True and fair view the opinion formed by an AUDITOR about a JOINT-STOCK COMPANY'S accounts, based upon evidence obtained from auditing the company's LEDGER accounts.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fund_accounting

Adrian MM.
Austria
Specializes in field
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English
PRO pts in category: 143

8 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

the bottom line wouldn't balance (out)

Explanation:
maybe (given the circumstances)...

David Hollywood
Local time: 05:00
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 842

1 day 1 hr confidence:

the fund would not be real

Explanation:
I think the original translation suggested looks fine.

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Note added at 1 day 4 hrs (2020-09-21 23:27:09 GMT)
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"El fondo no sería real ..."
"The fund would not be real ..." or
"The fund would not be actually current (active)"

An example from the information provided:

"Cuando hablamos de balanza, se entiende que la suma de los saldos (debe y haber) deben ser iguales. Si en caso esto no sucediese, el fondo no sería real, por lo que se tiene que revisar."

"When we speak about balances, it's understood that the balance totals (debts or debit and credit notes) must be equal. If this is not the case the fund would not actually be current (or active) by what needs to be revised."

Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:00
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

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