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虽然他们没有我的刑罚熬炼跟随，但这些人不正是那天国之外到处漂泊、流浪街头的乞丐吗？

English translation: Please see below

12:43 Aug 12, 2015
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Chinese term or phrase: 虽然他们没有我的刑罚熬炼跟随，但这些人不正是那天国之外到处漂泊、流浪街头的乞丐吗？
Dear all,

How would you translate this sentence? I am not sure entirely the term 我的刑罚熬炼 - it would be greta if someone could shed some light on this.

Also if possible would love to check if the meaning of 那天国之外 here is to be outside the Kingdom of Heaven.

Thanks for your input on this, it is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Aaron Dolman
United Kingdom
Local time: 18:13
English translation:Please see below
Explanation:
My punishment and torment do not follow these people. They are beggars roaming the streets beyond the kingdom of heaven, aren't they?

The following is what I found before your quote.
1. 起初，我造了“人类”，即造了人类的祖先——亚当，他有形有像，充满生机、充满活力，更有我的荣耀随着，那本是我造人的荣耀的日子，接着从亚当身上“产生”了夏娃——原本也是人的祖先，……
2. 那些生活在我话之外、逃脱试炼之苦的人，不都在世界中飘荡吗？他们犹如秋后的落叶到处飘零，无有落脚之地，更无有我安慰之语……
Link: http://www.kingdomsalvation.org/recital-kingdom-selection-05...

I think in this context "我" means the creator of mankind, so 天国 could mean the kingdom of heaven.

Punishment has been translated into 刑罚 in the following example, although it appears in another source, the Bible.

4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. (Submission to Governing Authorities, Romans 13, New International Version)

对应的中文版是：
4 因为他是神的用人，是与你有益的。你若作恶，却当惧怕，因为他不是空空地佩剑。他是神的用人，是伸冤的，刑罚那作恶的。

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Yuemin Chen
China
Local time: 01:13
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That is very helpful, and a very detailed explanation. I came up with a very similar translation - one thing that confused me slightly while doing this job (which i actually completed the day I posted this) is where i would use punishment, the client had actually given me a 3 word glossary one of which they used chastisement instead of punishment - i didn't think it fit as well, but that is what they had asked for. however it was great to read your input, thank you very much, it was really appreciated.
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Explanation:
My punishment and torment do not follow these people. They are beggars roaming the streets beyond the kingdom of heaven, aren't they?

The following is what I found before your quote.
1. 起初，我造了“人类”，即造了人类的祖先——亚当，他有形有像，充满生机、充满活力，更有我的荣耀随着，那本是我造人的荣耀的日子，接着从亚当身上“产生”了夏娃——原本也是人的祖先，……
2. 那些生活在我话之外、逃脱试炼之苦的人，不都在世界中飘荡吗？他们犹如秋后的落叶到处飘零，无有落脚之地，更无有我安慰之语……
Link: http://www.kingdomsalvation.org/recital-kingdom-selection-05...

I think in this context "我" means the creator of mankind, so 天国 could mean the kingdom of heaven.

Punishment has been translated into 刑罚 in the following example, although it appears in another source, the Bible.

4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. (Submission to Governing Authorities, Romans 13, New International Version)

对应的中文版是：
4 因为他是神的用人，是与你有益的。你若作恶，却当惧怕，因为他不是空空地佩剑。他是神的用人，是伸冤的，刑罚那作恶的。

For your reference only.

Yuemin Chen
China
Local time: 01:13
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese
Grading comment
That is very helpful, and a very detailed explanation. I came up with a very similar translation - one thing that confused me slightly while doing this job (which i actually completed the day I posted this) is where i would use punishment, the client had actually given me a 3 word glossary one of which they used chastisement instead of punishment - i didn't think it fit as well, but that is what they had asked for. however it was great to read your input, thank you very much, it was really appreciated.
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