cultusplaats

18:17 Jul 4, 2010
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Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - History
Dutch term or phrase: cultusplaats
'Kerkhoven en cultusplaats kregen een belangrijke, zij het wisselende plaats in de gemeenschap.'
Michael Beijer
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:40


Summary of answers provided
4 +2cult location
Lianne van de Ven
3place for religious contemplation
Barend van Zadelhoff
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actual context
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cult location


Explanation:
One example:
At one point, for example, wandering around in the dark cult location and faced with the possibility of the living dead, he remarks, "This is f…ing weird!" and we agree.
http://metapsychology.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=b...

Lianne van de Ven
United States
Local time: 16:40
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 20

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agree  Textpertise: see also http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q="cult location" societal im...
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  -> thank you

agree  Verginia Ophof
23 mins
  -> thank you
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place for religious contemplation


Explanation:
Churchyards, both in the physical sense and in the sense of serving as a place for religious contemplation, acquired an important, although changing, place within the community.

in this particular context "cultusplaats" only makes sense to me when it is understood in connection with "kerkhoven"

I believe the speaker/ writer refers to two aspects of the same place, namely:

the physical aspect: the way the churchyards were set up, the types of graves you could find there, maintenance, in short, the effort invested in their appearance

the spiritual aspect: the churchyard as a place for the living to deal with death and the death



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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-07-04 22:04:54 GMT)
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as I pointed out, I believe it is about the place churchyards acquired in a religious sense, that's my personal take on it

remember that places of worship, churches, The Church, were at the summit of their power in the Middle Ages, they held a more than important place already!

perhaps you could replace "contemplation" with "acts" or "rituals", I don't know what is best
we can be sure that it is about Christian religious practices, but you had many kinds of Christians in the Middle Ages
just read The Name of the Rose :-)

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Note added at 4 hrs (2010-07-04 22:19:53 GMT)
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".. serving as a place" should be "serving as places"

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Note added at 4 hrs (2010-07-04 22:42:46 GMT)
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it is true that you can read "kregen" also as "were given" and not as "acquired" but this would not change my opinion, I would still believe the speaker/ writer is referring to churchyards as "cultusplaatsen"
they would gather around those mausoleums and monuments to do their religious thing, everyone in his own way

Barend van Zadelhoff
Netherlands
Local time: 22:40
Native speaker of: Native in DutchDutch
PRO pts in category: 17
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Barend! I am kind of leaning towards the following: 'Cemeteries and places of worship acquired an important although changing place within the community.' (The next sentence reads: 'Praalgraven en grafmonumenten contrasteerden met de gewone graven en de massagraven.')


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agree  Frank van Thienen (X): I agree with this; from Van Dale: cultus=worship
1 hr
  -> Thank you, Frank. IMO it is primarily about making sense of this strange utterance. What is the speaker/writer referring to with "cultusplaats"?

disagree  Lianne van de Ven: Irrespective of your other comments, contemplation is unrelated to worshipping: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemplation
6 hrs
  -> Well, I wrote above "you could also choose religious acts, or rituals or still something else". But the primary question is what is meant by this "cultusplaats". I believe, as you must have read, it's the churchyards.
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Reference comments


1 hr
Reference: actual context

Reference information:
TUSSEN HEMEL EN HEL
Sterven in de middeleeuwen

Data: 03/12/10 - 24/04/11
Locatie: Jubelparkmuseum

3) De topografie van de dood - Achter elk graf gaat een man, een vrouw, een kind of een gemeenschap schuil. Kerkhoven en cultusplaats kregen een belangrijke, zij het wisselende plaats in de gemeenschap. Praalgraven en grafmonumenten contrasteerden met de gewone graven en de massagraven.

http://www.kmkg-mrah.be/newnl/index.asp?id=2258

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