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Dutch to English translations [PRO] Science - Psychology / psychoanalyse
Dutch term or phrase:wekdroom
Freud haalt in de Traumdeutung drie wekdromen aan van een Duitse theoloog, ene Hildebrandt. Ze hadden alle drie dezelfde oorzaak, zijn wekker. De eerste droom was een lang verhaal over een wandeling die eindigde met het indringende gebeier van een kerkklok die de vroegmis aankondigde. De tweede droom, zeker zo lang, ging over de schijnbaar eindeloze voorbereidingen op een rit met de arrenslee. Toen het eindelijk zo ver was, deken om, voeten in een warme zak, de slee vertrok, begonnen vlak bij zijn oor de bellen van de slee te rinkelen.
Explanation: There is no English term for this phenomenon yet, so I propose: "dream incorporation awakening the sleeper".
See:
"Incorporation of reality During the night, many external stimuli may bombard the senses, but the brain often interprets the stimulus and makes it a part of a dream to ensure continued sleep. Dream incorporation is a phenomenon whereby an actual sensation, such as environmental sounds, is incorporated into dreams, such as hearing a phone ringing in a dream while it is ringing in reality or dreaming of urination while wetting the bed. The mind can, however, awaken an individual if they are in danger or if trained to respond to certain sounds, such as a baby crying.
The term "dream incorporation" is also used in research examining the degree to which preceding daytime events become elements of dreams. Recent studies suggest that events in the day immediately preceding, and those about a week before, have the most influence." (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream )
"Dream incorporation is a common phenomenon whereby an actual sensation, such as environmental sounds, are incorporated into dreams, such as hearing a phone ringing in a dream while it is ringing in reality or dreaming of urination while wetting the bed. Sounds, smells, lights and other stimuli from our sleeping environment often get absorbed into our dreams, challenging our dreaming minds to incorporate them into the dream storyline in a way that makes sense. It is well known that during our sleep there may be many external stimuli bombarding the senses, and the brain often interprets the stimulus and makes it a part of a dream in order to ensure continued sleep. Many of you had experience the incorporation of external stimuli in a dream, and most probably very similar as mine. When you hear the doorbell, it begins. Your brain is racing madly creating the story. You might wake up three seconds after, but in that time you'll have dreamt a one-hour story." (http://skepticsvsbelievers.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/that-place... )
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Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal (14e editie, 2005): wekdroom: droom die door een uitwendige prikkel gewekt wordt, waarin deze prikkel verwerkt is en waardoor men tevens ontwaakt
Van Dale Groot woordenboek hedendaags Nederlands (versie 2.0, 2002): wekdroom: droom waaruit men door een uitwendige prikkel die in deze droom verwerkt is, ontwaakt
Your suggested "dream incorporating real-world stimulus" lacks the element of waking/awakening. A "wekdroom" is a "dream incorporating real-world stimulus … that wakes up the sleeper".
This is not to be confused with "lucid dreaming" when one is aware of dreaming while in a dream. I think "waking dream" sounds too similar to "lucid dream" and would go for something along the lines of "dream incorporating real-world stimulus" or if the term is used a lot , call it an "alarm clock dream" and then explain it the first time.
The link is REALLY long. But you can find the references by googling 'waking dream Jelgersma'. I'm not saying the term is ideal, or has caught on, but it has been translated that way in the past.
Yes, I saw that. I can't seem to locate the actual text you cited though. Do you have a functional link? It looks to me like it was written by a Dutch person (Jelgersma), who seems to have translated "wekdroom" into "waking dream" himself, literally, and, I suspect, incorrectly.
However, you might be right: "waking dream" might be used like this in a specific scientific field. I'd have to see some evidence though before I'd start using it like this myself. The word "waking" can mean "rousing from sleep", so it does sound reasonable.
However, when I hear the phrase "waking dream", I think of the Oxford/Collins definition, as do most people, I think.
"He slips easily into the skins of his characters, presenting them like waking dreams - vivid yet just beyond tangible." "The experience of writing for me is a waking dream." "It has the hallucinatory, frightening quality of a waking dream."
"Dream incorporation is a common phenomenon whereby an actual sensation, such as environmental sounds, are incorporated into dreams, such as hearing a phone ringing in a dream while it is ringing in reality or dreaming of urination while wetting the bed. Sounds, smells, lights and other stimuli from our sleeping environment often get absorbed into our dreams, challenging our dreaming minds to incorporate them into the dream storyline in a way that makes sense. It is well known that during our sleep there may be many external stimuli bombarding the senses, and the brain often interprets the stimulus and makes it a part of a dream in order to ensure continued sleep. Many of you had experience the incorporation of external stimuli in a dream, and most probably very similar as mine. When you hear the doorbell, it begins. Your brain is racing madly creating the story. You might wake up three seconds after, but in that time you'll have dreamt a one-hour story." (http://skepticsvsbelievers.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/that-place... )
Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal (14e editie, 2005): wekdroom: droom die door een uitwendige prikkel gewekt wordt, waarin deze prikkel verwerkt is en waardoor men tevens ontwaakt
Van Dale Groot woordenboek hedendaags Nederlands (versie 2.0, 2002): wekdroom: droom waaruit men door een uitwendige prikkel die in deze droom verwerkt is, ontwaakt
I'll think about the proper term tomorrow. I still have 70 pages to go.... (NOT my fault, this last-minute madness, I hasten to add). But I've got to finish it TONIGHT (or this AM).
I'm working against a deadline, editing a thesis (yes, at 2:41 AM), so didn't take the time to consult a dictionary. I figured the asker would have done that. (You know how during a mad dash for a deadline you just run over to see what's happening at ProZ once in a while, as a diversion?)
Hij is aan het dromen en het geluid van zijn wekker wordt geïntegreerd in zijn dromen als "het indringende gebeier van een kerkklok" en "de bellen van de slee" en dan wordt hij wakker.
like it takes place just before waking, incorporating the sound that wakes the person. The church bells, the sleigh bells in his dream are actually the alarm clock that wakes him. I don't know if there is a word for such dreams, but I have read about them. I know they are a phenomena. Something like very quick short dreams that occur between the time you actually hear your alarm and the time you wake up? Something like that.
Not sure if there is an English term for this. "Dream upon waking"? It's not "waking dream", because that's something else.
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9 hrs confidence: peer agreement (net): +1
waking dream
Explanation: books.google.com/books?id=haAhAQAAMAAJ 1922 - Medicine Waking Dreams. — Jelgersma applies this term to dreams in which the action of the dream centers around some actual sound or sensation perceived by the ...
Jelgersma had die term zelf geïntroduceerd. Een wekdroom ontstaat door een prikkel van buiten die bliksemsnel in het droomverhaal wordt verwerkt, maar je dan ook vrijwel gelijktijdig wakker maakt. http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/5009/Archief/archief/article/detai...
Michele Fauble United States Local time: 16:53 Native speaker of: English
11 hrs confidence:
dream incorporation awakening the sleeper
Explanation: There is no English term for this phenomenon yet, so I propose: "dream incorporation awakening the sleeper".
See:
"Incorporation of reality During the night, many external stimuli may bombard the senses, but the brain often interprets the stimulus and makes it a part of a dream to ensure continued sleep. Dream incorporation is a phenomenon whereby an actual sensation, such as environmental sounds, is incorporated into dreams, such as hearing a phone ringing in a dream while it is ringing in reality or dreaming of urination while wetting the bed. The mind can, however, awaken an individual if they are in danger or if trained to respond to certain sounds, such as a baby crying.
The term "dream incorporation" is also used in research examining the degree to which preceding daytime events become elements of dreams. Recent studies suggest that events in the day immediately preceding, and those about a week before, have the most influence." (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream )
"Dream incorporation is a common phenomenon whereby an actual sensation, such as environmental sounds, are incorporated into dreams, such as hearing a phone ringing in a dream while it is ringing in reality or dreaming of urination while wetting the bed. Sounds, smells, lights and other stimuli from our sleeping environment often get absorbed into our dreams, challenging our dreaming minds to incorporate them into the dream storyline in a way that makes sense. It is well known that during our sleep there may be many external stimuli bombarding the senses, and the brain often interprets the stimulus and makes it a part of a dream in order to ensure continued sleep. Many of you had experience the incorporation of external stimuli in a dream, and most probably very similar as mine. When you hear the doorbell, it begins. Your brain is racing madly creating the story. You might wake up three seconds after, but in that time you'll have dreamt a one-hour story." (http://skepticsvsbelievers.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/that-place... )
-------------------------------------------------- Note added at 11 hrs (2014-11-01 11:37:17 GMT) --------------------------------------------------
Van Dale Groot woordenboek van de Nederlandse taal (14e editie, 2005): wekdroom: droom die door een uitwendige prikkel gewekt wordt, waarin deze prikkel verwerkt is en waardoor men tevens ontwaakt
Van Dale Groot woordenboek hedendaags Nederlands (versie 2.0, 2002): wekdroom: droom waaruit men door een uitwendige prikkel die in deze droom verwerkt is, ontwaakt
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Dream incorporation is a phenomenon whereby an actual sensation, such as environmental sounds, is incorporated into dreams, such as hearing a phone ringing in a dream while it is ringing in reality or dreaming of urination while wetting the bed.
Michael Beijer United Kingdom Local time: 00:53 Works in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 6
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thank you
Reference comments
3 hrs peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Dream incorporation/Incorporation of reality
Reference information: "Dream incorporation is a phenomenon whereby an actual sensation, such as environmental sounds, is incorporated into dreams, such as hearing a phone ringing in a dream while it is ringing in reality"
Natasha Ziada (X) Australia Works in field Native speaker of: Dutch
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