tempered with...

03:00 Apr 25, 2008 

非常有理，研究理论的那群人往往会出现方向性偏激。实际在翻译的时候只要好用就行了，哪管什么直译，意译。还是那三个字，信达雅。

02:54 Apr 25, 2008 

在台湾译界有一帮子胃酸过多的人会强烈攻击“以释代译”，我则常说：不经释，何来译？释译其实是不可分的。因此，只要解释得清楚为什么那样理解，那样重现文本，我都很能接受的－－尤其是书籍的翻译。

02:32 Apr 25, 2008 

Actually, your rewriting is pretty good. It is the message that is to be translated, not the text after all.

02:29 Apr 25, 2008 

只要全书的内容符合作者这样的态度，我不觉得有何不可从这样的角度来理解这段话。

02:21 Apr 25, 2008 

To explain things further, I present my translation of the whole sentence here as an explanation of my choice:
概率与统计论久受常识所限，间杂种种意外现象，其局限性不一而足。本书概不可替代该学科中的研究经验抑或教育活动。笔者特在此指出，供读者共识。

05:31 Apr 23, 2008 

The reason why I take 焠练 is because, when you make steel, you need to "temper" the mass. When a science comes into being, it must go through almost the same process. The author "humbly" declairs that he doees not claim the whole scope of the said science.

05:22 Apr 23, 2008 

Sorry, I misread "humility"! Revising the interpretation, I would change 人性考验 to 谦卑谨慎. So, the whole sentence would be something like 于此声明，当前这份文本绝对无法替代经过大量常理知识、好奇探究与谦卑谨慎所焠练而成的机率与统计学方面的教育或经验.

02:58 Apr 23, 2008 

If you believe "common sense", "curiosity" and "humility"are positive to you, then you may choose "mixed with" for the meaning of "tempered with".

02:47 Apr 23, 2008 

Rather than negative, "common sense", "curiosity" and "humility" seems to suggest positive matters of statistics from the perspective of mine.

02:31 Apr 23, 2008 

The phrase "seeking to produce sound and applicable distributions" may suggest that statistics is mixed with (or contains) or undermined (or moderated) by non-scientific (i.e. common sense) ideas and assumptions and the limitations of statistics.

02:26 Apr 23, 2008 

And I think the "humility" here may suggest an state which is not perfect whereas is developing and being working on towards perfection.

02:20 Apr 23, 2008 

Quite right, using "局限" for "humility" sounds like an idea inspired by God :)

02:12 Apr 23, 2008 

So the phrase "tempered with" here may suggest repeatly undergone some kind of whatever it is as long as it represents some effort or process.

02:11 Apr 23, 2008 

According to Christian beliefs, one is humble to God because one is less than perfect. So, I believe "humility" may have a connotation of "limitations" 局限.

02:09 Apr 23, 2008 

"Humility" here is not a statistical term but I believe it has some relevancy to philosophical and religious ideas. Objectivism regards "humility" as "flaws" or "weakness".

02:08 Apr 23, 2008 

Wenjer Leuschel was right. The setence may be used to express the reason for what the manuscript was written, and the applicable scope of this book. And the author was just in a manner of humility.

02:07 Apr 23, 2008 

The phrase "tempered with" here is quite ambiguous and open to more than one interpretation. It may mean "mixed with" or "moderated" as suggested below. Statistics may be regarded as an exact science by some, though it may not be necessarily so.

01:57 Apr 23, 2008 

"We hasten to notice that the present text is in no way a substitute for education or experience in probability and statistics tempered with large doses of common sense, curiosity and humility. These pages represent a compilation of information and advice from many sources that we hope will serve to guide analysts seeking to produce sound and applicable distributions for use in probabilistic and risk assessments."

11:29 Apr 22, 2008 

Hi Clover, is it possible to post one more sentence that comes after the above sentence?

10:04 Apr 22, 2008 

definition: humility - unassertiveness. 我想应该是『不确定性』。
我们很快意识到眼下的(环境/情形)并不能代替对概率和统计的学习或经验，这些统计数据充斥了大量的常识、古怪和不确定性。

09:57 Apr 22, 2008 

我们很快意识到眼下的(环境/情形)并不能代替对概率和统计的学习或经验，这些统计数据充斥了大量的常识、古怪和谦卑?。
? 我想humility大概在统计学方面有其他的意思吧，谦卑在这里有些突兀。还望达人斧正。

09:29 Apr 22, 2008 

Or should I say, What is the meaning of the whole sentence? I have no idea what the author meant.