bargainable category vs management category

Croatian translation: kategorija radnika / menadžera

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English term or phrase:bargainable category vs management category
Croatian translation:kategorija radnika / menadžera
Entered by: Stela Pavetić

16:39 May 9, 2012
English to Croatian translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Human Resources
English term or phrase: bargainable category vs management category
Termin dolazi iz jednog pravilnika - In case of promotion from bargainable category to management category in the applicable financial year - pretpostavljam da se radi o upravi i redovnim zaposlenicima, ali ne mogu pronaći termin koji se koristi na hrvatskom - postoji li uopće?
Stela Pavetić
Local time: 14:04
kategorija radnika / menadžera
Explanation:
(radnici koji imaju pravo na sindikalno udruživanje i menadžment)

Bargainable / non-bargainable employees se razlikuju po tome što prvo navedeni imaju pravo na sindikalno udruživanje i to su uglavnom "obični zaposlenici" a drugi ga nemaju.

Imajući u vidu da teorijski "Sloboda udruživanja i osnivanja sindikata spada u „prvu generaciju ljudskih prava“, prevod traženih termina zavisi od konteksta.

Indija:
http://www.wluml.org/news/international-workers-unions-and-l...
A common method of combating or eliminating trade unionism was to deny sections of workers the right to engage in it. Here managements were assisted by ambiguities in the Industrial Disputes Act, which protects the collective bargaining rights of only those who are designated as ‘workmen’. Courts interpreted this to mean that there is a ‘non-bargainable’ category of employees who do not have the right to belong to a union or bargain collectively: a clear violation of ILO Conventions 87 and 98 on Freedom of Association and the Right to Organise and Bargain Collectively, not to mention the Indian Constitution!

http://www.international-ul.com/pdf/labourlaws.pdf
It is easy to see why the ILO considers these Conventions to be fundamental; if workers are free to organise themselves and bargain collectively, they can win many other rights. If these conventions are implemented in India, they would abolish the nonbargainable category in the organised sector as well as rule out the systematic victimisation of workers who try to form or join unions in the unorganised sector.

i tome sl. http://books.google.hr/books?id=38Z9OlQ39BoC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA...

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Kolega je apsolutno u pravu u vezi kolektivnog ugovora i pregovora "u četiri oka", posebno jer "bargainable" nisu nužno članovi nekog sindikata
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Vesna Maširević
Serbia
Local time: 14:04
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4 +1kategorija radnika / menadžera
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kategorija radnika / menadžera


Explanation:
(radnici koji imaju pravo na sindikalno udruživanje i menadžment)

Bargainable / non-bargainable employees se razlikuju po tome što prvo navedeni imaju pravo na sindikalno udruživanje i to su uglavnom "obični zaposlenici" a drugi ga nemaju.

Imajući u vidu da teorijski "Sloboda udruživanja i osnivanja sindikata spada u „prvu generaciju ljudskih prava“, prevod traženih termina zavisi od konteksta.

Indija:
http://www.wluml.org/news/international-workers-unions-and-l...
A common method of combating or eliminating trade unionism was to deny sections of workers the right to engage in it. Here managements were assisted by ambiguities in the Industrial Disputes Act, which protects the collective bargaining rights of only those who are designated as ‘workmen’. Courts interpreted this to mean that there is a ‘non-bargainable’ category of employees who do not have the right to belong to a union or bargain collectively: a clear violation of ILO Conventions 87 and 98 on Freedom of Association and the Right to Organise and Bargain Collectively, not to mention the Indian Constitution!

http://www.international-ul.com/pdf/labourlaws.pdf
It is easy to see why the ILO considers these Conventions to be fundamental; if workers are free to organise themselves and bargain collectively, they can win many other rights. If these conventions are implemented in India, they would abolish the nonbargainable category in the organised sector as well as rule out the systematic victimisation of workers who try to form or join unions in the unorganised sector.

i tome sl. http://books.google.hr/books?id=38Z9OlQ39BoC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA...

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Note added at 18 hrs (2012-05-10 10:57:39 GMT)
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Kolega je apsolutno u pravu u vezi kolektivnog ugovora i pregovora "u četiri oka", posebno jer "bargainable" nisu nužno članovi nekog sindikata

Vesna Maširević
Serbia
Local time: 14:04
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in Serbo-CroatSerbo-Croat
PRO pts in category: 28
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Asker: Hvala na pomoći!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tomislav Patarčić: možda izraz nije apsolutno najsretniji, ali mislim da je obrazloženje upravo to što je trebalo biti - prijelaz iz razreda čija plaća je određena kol. ugovorom u razred onih koji plaću dogovaraju u četri oka.
4 hrs
  -> iz kategorije onih koji se nadaju zaštiti sindikata do onih koji sami sebe štite kako znaju i umeju, između ostalog i nagoneći prvo navedene da traže pomenutu zaštitu :) Hvala
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