even and one thing

French translation: d'un équilibre [spirituel] et d'une unité

10:36 Aug 15, 2007
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English term or phrase: even and one thing
By practicing kindness all over with everyone you will soon come into the holy trance, infinite distinctions of personalities will become what they really mysteriously are, our common and eternal blissstuff, the pureness of everything forever, the great bright essence of mind, even and one thing everywhere the holy eternal milky love, the white light everywhere everything, emptybliss, svaha, shining, ready, and awake, the compassion in the sound of silence, the swarming myriad trillionaire you are.

Je ne suis pas sûre du sens de "even" ici
Stéphanie Soudais
France
Local time: 05:07
French translation:d'un équilibre [spirituel] et d'une unité
Explanation:
I believe that it is the balance between the ascending and descending states of being and the oneness (unity) with being.

Ken Wilber, the doyen of transpersonal psychologists, marrying the insights of East and West and drawing on Plato, Plotinus and Schelling, has argued for a model of maturation that takes account of levels of transpersonal experience common to the contemplatives of all religious traditions.
Wilber demonstrated the essential connection, in the healthy development of egoic consciousness and in the attainment of contemplative states that have avoided pathological distortions, between the upward path of meditation and the downward path of material engagement. ***The one is an ascent, via eros, to wisdom, and the other, a descent, via agape, to compassion, a compassion that finds expression in the self, in the community and in institutionalised structures.*** He further argues that either ascent or descent, taken alone, is destructive. Where ascent is fuelled by phobos, rather than eros, it is escapism. Where descent dismisses ascent, it results in thanatos, or death.6
The separation of Ascenders and Descenders, of those who attempt the ascent without the descent and those who attempt the descent without the ascent, of those heading towards the One and of those heading towards the many, of those pursuing intellectual or spiritual highs and hands on activists who disdain intellectual rigour or spirituality, spells disaster for the planet. This separation also sets up two opposed camps, whose need to defend themselves against each other further blinds them to the real issues and to the complexity of the situations they address.
http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/gchapman/sfm/SFM26.HTM

Do you feel as though you are ascending? What is this ascension in terms of? One's career? One's understanding of a particular subject? One's ability in performing a specific task? One's path of developing as a person?

And what of descension? In what areas is one descending?

Myself, I feel that I continue to ascend in the degree to which I am typically aware, as well as my understanding of reality, as I accumulate more experience within, and as, reality.

I sense an ascension in my personality and state of being, as well. I continue to become more capable of centering within my state of being, as opposed to being centered in my mind. I still utilize my mind, of course, and find that I more effectively. I find that I am more skillful in my ability to influence reality to produce desired results, in regards to my preferences.

I believe I am descending as well, but typically within the context of specific roles that I have played with intensity at time that now no longer receive the same amount of focus and energy, relationships with others, aspects of ourselves..... For example, I will be transferring within my company as I will be moving, and I will be stepping down from management and taking a simpler position. So there is descent there.

Isn't ascent in one area descent in another? Where are we investing our energy? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7025188

Sri Aurobindo considered that most yogas and religions were concerned with the process of ‘ascent' or the process of ascending beyond the body and beyond time into a formless and timeless absolute or transcendent self. He wrote that the ‘old systems' arrived at an ‘infinite empty Negation or an infinite equally vacant Affirmation'. [1] He introduced the imperative for and the process by which the supramental (or greater than mental) consciousness would ‘descend' or firmly establish itself in Earthly life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supramentalisation
Triple transformation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_transformation

La Triple Transformation
Ceci ne peut se faire que par la triple transformation dont nous avons déjà parlé en passant. Il faut d'abord que le changement psychique se produise, la conversion de notre nature actuelle tout entière en un instrument de l'âme ; après cela ou en même temps, doit avoir lieu le changement spirituel, la descente d'une lumière, d'une connaissance, une puissance, une force, une félicité, une pureté plus hautes, dans tout notre être, même dans les replis les plus bas de la vie et du corps, même dans l'obscurité de notre subconscience ; enfin, couronnant l'ensemble, doit survenir la transmutation supramentale, ***l'ascension dans le supramental et la descente transformatrice de la Conscience supramentale dans tout notre être et dans notre nature tout entière.***

¶Mais du fait de sa composition, cet agrégat est un mélange hétérogène, non un tout harmonieux et homogène.

¶Même si le mental fait une plus haute tentative, cela ne change pas cet équilibre ; car le mental spiritualisé a tendance à s'élever vers les hauteurs, et puisque, au-dessus de lui-même, le mental perd toute prise sur les formes, c'est dans une vaste impersonnalité sans formes et sans traits qu'il entre.

Même si le mental fait une plus haute tentative, cela ne change pas cet équilibre ; car le mental spiritualisé a tendance à s'élever vers les hauteurs, et puisque, au-dessus de lui-même, le mental perd toute prise sur les formes, c'est dans une vaste impersonnalité sans formes et sans traits qu'il entre. Il perçoit le Moi immuable, le pur Esprit, la pure nudité d'une Existence essentielle, l'Infini sans forme et l'Absolu sans nom. Ce sommet peut être atteint plus directement si l'on tend immédiatement au-delà de toute forme et de toute représentation, au-delà de toutes les idées de bien et de mal, de vrai et de faux, de beau et de laid, vers Cela qui dépasse toutes les dualités, vers l'expérience d'une unité, d'une infinité, une éternité suprêmes ou vers quelque autre sublimation ineffable de l'ultime et extrême perception mentale du Moi ou de l'Esprit…
http://intyoga.online.fr/ld2_25fr.htm



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You’re welcome, Stéphanie, & thank you :-)
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d'un équilibre [spirituel] et d'une unité


Explanation:
I believe that it is the balance between the ascending and descending states of being and the oneness (unity) with being.

Ken Wilber, the doyen of transpersonal psychologists, marrying the insights of East and West and drawing on Plato, Plotinus and Schelling, has argued for a model of maturation that takes account of levels of transpersonal experience common to the contemplatives of all religious traditions.
Wilber demonstrated the essential connection, in the healthy development of egoic consciousness and in the attainment of contemplative states that have avoided pathological distortions, between the upward path of meditation and the downward path of material engagement. ***The one is an ascent, via eros, to wisdom, and the other, a descent, via agape, to compassion, a compassion that finds expression in the self, in the community and in institutionalised structures.*** He further argues that either ascent or descent, taken alone, is destructive. Where ascent is fuelled by phobos, rather than eros, it is escapism. Where descent dismisses ascent, it results in thanatos, or death.6
The separation of Ascenders and Descenders, of those who attempt the ascent without the descent and those who attempt the descent without the ascent, of those heading towards the One and of those heading towards the many, of those pursuing intellectual or spiritual highs and hands on activists who disdain intellectual rigour or spirituality, spells disaster for the planet. This separation also sets up two opposed camps, whose need to defend themselves against each other further blinds them to the real issues and to the complexity of the situations they address.
http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/gchapman/sfm/SFM26.HTM

Do you feel as though you are ascending? What is this ascension in terms of? One's career? One's understanding of a particular subject? One's ability in performing a specific task? One's path of developing as a person?

And what of descension? In what areas is one descending?

Myself, I feel that I continue to ascend in the degree to which I am typically aware, as well as my understanding of reality, as I accumulate more experience within, and as, reality.

I sense an ascension in my personality and state of being, as well. I continue to become more capable of centering within my state of being, as opposed to being centered in my mind. I still utilize my mind, of course, and find that I more effectively. I find that I am more skillful in my ability to influence reality to produce desired results, in regards to my preferences.

I believe I am descending as well, but typically within the context of specific roles that I have played with intensity at time that now no longer receive the same amount of focus and energy, relationships with others, aspects of ourselves..... For example, I will be transferring within my company as I will be moving, and I will be stepping down from management and taking a simpler position. So there is descent there.

Isn't ascent in one area descent in another? Where are we investing our energy? http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7025188

Sri Aurobindo considered that most yogas and religions were concerned with the process of ‘ascent' or the process of ascending beyond the body and beyond time into a formless and timeless absolute or transcendent self. He wrote that the ‘old systems' arrived at an ‘infinite empty Negation or an infinite equally vacant Affirmation'. [1] He introduced the imperative for and the process by which the supramental (or greater than mental) consciousness would ‘descend' or firmly establish itself in Earthly life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supramentalisation
Triple transformation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_transformation

La Triple Transformation
Ceci ne peut se faire que par la triple transformation dont nous avons déjà parlé en passant. Il faut d'abord que le changement psychique se produise, la conversion de notre nature actuelle tout entière en un instrument de l'âme ; après cela ou en même temps, doit avoir lieu le changement spirituel, la descente d'une lumière, d'une connaissance, une puissance, une force, une félicité, une pureté plus hautes, dans tout notre être, même dans les replis les plus bas de la vie et du corps, même dans l'obscurité de notre subconscience ; enfin, couronnant l'ensemble, doit survenir la transmutation supramentale, ***l'ascension dans le supramental et la descente transformatrice de la Conscience supramentale dans tout notre être et dans notre nature tout entière.***

¶Mais du fait de sa composition, cet agrégat est un mélange hétérogène, non un tout harmonieux et homogène.

¶Même si le mental fait une plus haute tentative, cela ne change pas cet équilibre ; car le mental spiritualisé a tendance à s'élever vers les hauteurs, et puisque, au-dessus de lui-même, le mental perd toute prise sur les formes, c'est dans une vaste impersonnalité sans formes et sans traits qu'il entre.

Même si le mental fait une plus haute tentative, cela ne change pas cet équilibre ; car le mental spiritualisé a tendance à s'élever vers les hauteurs, et puisque, au-dessus de lui-même, le mental perd toute prise sur les formes, c'est dans une vaste impersonnalité sans formes et sans traits qu'il entre. Il perçoit le Moi immuable, le pur Esprit, la pure nudité d'une Existence essentielle, l'Infini sans forme et l'Absolu sans nom. Ce sommet peut être atteint plus directement si l'on tend immédiatement au-delà de toute forme et de toute représentation, au-delà de toutes les idées de bien et de mal, de vrai et de faux, de beau et de laid, vers Cela qui dépasse toutes les dualités, vers l'expérience d'une unité, d'une infinité, une éternité suprêmes ou vers quelque autre sublimation ineffable de l'ultime et extrême perception mentale du Moi ou de l'Esprit…
http://intyoga.online.fr/ld2_25fr.htm



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Note added at 12 days (2007-08-28 03:20:02 GMT) Post-grading
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You’re welcome, Stéphanie, & thank you :-)

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Merci Claire
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