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output/input

French translation: Extrant/Intrant ou Sortie/Entrée

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English term or phrase:output/input
French translation:Extrant/Intrant ou Sortie/Entrée
Entered by: emmanuelle groom

21:12 Oct 9, 2014
English to French translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Management / specification
English term or phrase: output/input
Contexte : atelier sur de nouvelles spécifications de nettoyage - destiné aux fournisseurs de matériel de nettoyage

**Output** specification cleaning par opposition à **Input** specification cleaning

Output:The cleaning team will clean the areas that need cleaning.
Input: Cleaning operatives come to work and each have a schedule of jobs to do at work

Je suis tentée d'utiliser les termes d'extrants et intrants. Nettoyage selon la spécification basée sur les extrants/intrants.

Merci de vos éclairages !
emmanuelle groom
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:05
Extrant/Intrant ou Sortie/Entrée
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GILLES MEUNIER
France
Local time: 10:05
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Merci
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2Extrant/Intrant ou Sortie/Entrée
GILLES MEUNIER
4 -1contrat de moyen / contrat de résultat
Daryo
Summary of reference entries provided
Input vs. output specifications
Daryo

  

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Extrant/Intrant ou Sortie/Entrée


Explanation:
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GILLES MEUNIER
France
Local time: 10:05
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 482
Grading comment
Merci
Notes to answerer
Asker: merci pour cette confirmation


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Anne-Virginie Lerat
2 hrs
agree  Annie Rigler
7 hrs
agree  Ivan Bertrand
7 hrs
disagree  Daryo: where is the link with the definitions given? Sortie="The cleaning team will clean the areas that need cleaning" / Entrée="each have a schedule of jobs to do" sounds logical?
1 day 14 hrs
  -> c'est spécifications d'entrée et de sortie, ce n'est pas dans le sens de cahier de charges
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1 day 22 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
input specification / output specification (contract)
contrat de moyen / contrat de résultat


Explanation:
input specification contract = les moyens à employer sont spécifiés dans le contrat

output specification contract = les résultats à obtenir sont spécifiées dans le contrat


What Is More Important Input or Output?
The concept of a business determining its own product specification is one which warrants review. Issues have been encountered where, based on a fixed product specification being demanded by the client, the supplier has avoided liability for a lack of performance based on the supplier not being held accountable for the original specification.

The practice now adopted in some organisations is that the client prescribes the output required of the product or service supplied. Based on the judgement of the supplier the product or service is selected and offered to the client. The client then is required to ensure the supplier is fully informed of the demand on the equipment or service and the environment in which it is required to operate. If then the supplier maintains the suitability of the product or service, any subsequent failure to meet the demand is deemed to be the supplier’s responsibility based on product “fit for purpose”. It is worthy of note that it is essential from a technical perspective that there is a close relationship between the client and the supplier, an attribute not always present in some commercial negotiations.

Experience has shown that there is frequently no direct consequence for decisions taken by the client if the specification provided to the supplier is not appropriate for the conditions. Poor product performance based on an output specification is far safer to manage based on the not “fit for purpose” argument.

It is not possible for any client to be fully aware of the intricacies of all equipment purchased and for this reason outside advice and accountability is strongly recommended.

The output specification approach also extends to service provision. Cleaning as an example is frequently one of the most difficult to manage service areas, but by adopting the output specification approach to cleaning services with the use of “clear English” describing ‘what clean looks like’ has resulted in a 10% to 15% saving in some environments. Describing ‘what clean looks like’ is not as easy as it sounds, but once in place along side a robust auditing process we have seen a decrease in cost and an increase in quality. Cleaning contractors are asked to be totally transparent in terms of the number of hours/heads involved, ensuring that the client only ever pays for the number of heads on site at any one time to achieve the output rather than a blanket number, thus prompting a more open and trusting relationship between contractor and client.
http://www.maintenance-management.com/news/what-is-more-impo...

B - Les différentes formes de sous-traitance et leurs rémunérations
1 - Les formes de sous-traitance
Les formes de sous-traitance de la maintenance sont nombreuses. Ce n'est pas la façon d'intervenir qui change, puisque le travail du technicien reste le même, mais c'est le cadre juridique de l'intervention qui va définir la forme de sous-traitance. Aussi, nous pouvons dissocier les interventions en les classant par modes de rémunération:
Intervention rémunérée au temps passé: mission limitée dans le temps (régie, travail temporaire). La rémunération pourra être de type dépense contrôlée
Intervention sur devis
Forfait (peut être partiel: limité à un nombre d'heures, le restant étant de la dépense contrôlée plafonnée ou non)
Intervention rémunérée au bordereau-points
Bien entendu la relation entre le Donneur d'Ordres et le prestataire de maintenance ne devra jamais entrer dans le cadre d'un délit de marchandage.
Pour cela il faut que le périmètre d'intervention soit défini et qu'il n'y ai pas subordination: les équipes intervenantes doivent donc être totalement indépendantes du donneur d'ordres (donc avoir un responsable désigné) et avoir une mission parfaitement définie à l'avance.

2 - Contrat de moyen ou de résultat ?
Notion de résultat:
Contrairement à la notion de moyen, la notion de résultat porte l'obligation à un prestataire de maintenance de réaliser sa prestation en respectant un objectif défini au préalable (ratio, un nombre d'heures, résultat technique, etc...). La relation est plus confortable pour le Donneur d'Ordres qui aura su définir des objectifs avant l'intervention: en cas de litige sur l'objectif, c'est au prestataire de démontrer qu'il a tout mis en oeuvre pour atteindre l'objectif et non pas au donneur d'ordres de démontrer la faute.
Nous encourageons vivement les contrats à obligation de résultats, mais il n'est pas toujours simple de définir l'objectif à atteindre (délai imparti, coût, etc.).

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http://www.ingexpert.com/maintexpert/php_theorie_maintenance...

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 09:05
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 36

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  GILLES MEUNIER: ce n'est pas la traduction de input ou output. specification, ça peut être cahier de charge et non contrat....
11 hrs
  -> la question est mal posée: le texte parle de "input specification cleaning [contracts]" et de "output specification cleaning [contracts]" - le contexte n'est pas juste une fioriture (in my rule-book at least ….)
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Reference comments


1 day 22 hrs peer agreement (net): -1
Reference: Input vs. output specifications

Reference information:
Input vs. output specifications

Historically, Single service provisions have been based on input specifications, in which the service provider essentially delivers some predetermined resources within a specific time frame at an agreed price. In most markets today service provisions are now based on output specifications in which the focus is on driving cost-efficiency via service analysis, knowledge sharing and benchmarking.

In an output-based service environment ISS asks customers what their needs are and what outcome they expect in terms of service levels, quality and frequency. On this basis we design the best-fitted service solution for each individual customer. In other words we focus on the result of the services (the output) rather than the number of people and hours (the input). Working with output instead of input-based service contracts allows us to ‘think out of the box’ and create a much more flexible, cost-efficient and value-added service solution for the benefit of the customer.Input vs. output specifications

Historically, Single service provisions have been based on input specifications, in which the service provider essentially delivers some predetermined resources within a specific time frame at an agreed price. In most markets today service provisions are now based on output specifications in which the focus is on driving cost-efficiency via service analysis, knowledge sharing and benchmarking.

In an output-based service environment ISS asks customers what their needs are and what outcome they expect in terms of service levels, quality and frequency. On this basis we design the best-fitted service solution for each individual customer. In other words we focus on the result of the services (the output) rather than the number of people and hours (the input). Working with output instead of input-based service contracts allows us to ‘think out of the box’ and create a much more flexible, cost-efficient and value-added service solution for the benefit of the customer.

http://www.issworld.com/en/our-delivery/single-services/inpu...

Daryo
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 36

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
disagree  GILLES MEUNIER: c'est de l'anglais, ça n'apporte rien...
11 hrs
  -> not bothering to find out what exactly is meant in the ST because it is a waste of time? Very interesting and creative contribution to the methodology of translating, but I think I will abstain from using that approach.
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