novel and formulaic language

French translation: langage nouveau ainsi que langage convenu

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English term or phrase: novel and formulaic language
French translation:langage nouveau ainsi que langage convenu
Entered by: B D Finch

13:05 Sep 9, 2018
English to French translations [PRO]
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English term or phrase: novel and formulaic language
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External Scientific Evidence
External scientific evidence was used establish a philosophical base for language in the AAC software language including the necessity of tools for production of both novel and formulaic language and efficient organization of that language.
It informed the vocabulary selected as core words and QuickFires as well as the organization and content of Topics and Word Lists overall and to meet the needs of individuals of varying ages and diagnoses.
NikkoTh
langage nouveau ainsi que langage convenu
Explanation:
First, parse the ST correctly:

" ... production of//both novel and formulaic language// ..."

That means two types of language, not one type of language that mysteriously manages to be, at once, novel and (its opposite) formulaic.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2018-09-09 18:22:31 GMT)
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I think it is highly likely that the tools required to produce novel language would not be the same as the tools required to produce formulaic language.
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B D Finch
France
Local time: 10:51
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3langage nouveau ainsi que langage convenu
B D Finch
4un langage nouveau et codifié
FX Fraipont (X)
4Langage à la fois nouveau et précisément nuancé
HERBET Abel
4 -1un langage nouveau et structuré
Francois Boye


  

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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
un langage nouveau et codifié


Explanation:
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FX Fraipont (X)
Belgium
Local time: 10:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 103

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: It is here contrasting 2 types of language: 'novel' and 'formulaic'
5 hrs
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49 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
un langage nouveau et structuré


Explanation:
there is an initial set of concepts that must be combined to produce more and more complex expressions.

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 05:51
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: It is in fact two separate things: not 'language that is both novel and formulaic', but 'BOTH novel AND formulaic' language — it's all in the EN syntax.
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44 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
both novel and formulaic language
langage nouveau ainsi que langage convenu


Explanation:
First, parse the ST correctly:

" ... production of//both novel and formulaic language// ..."

That means two types of language, not one type of language that mysteriously manages to be, at once, novel and (its opposite) formulaic.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2018-09-09 18:22:31 GMT)
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I think it is highly likely that the tools required to produce novel language would not be the same as the tools required to produce formulaic language.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 10:51
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Selected automatically based on peer agreement.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  GILOU: langage nouveau et convenu
19 mins
  -> Thanks Gilou. It's essential to make it clear that these are two distinct types of language, not two rolled into one. "Language" is used here as a collective noun.

agree  katsy: agree with need to repeat 'langage'
2 hrs
  -> Thanks katsy

neutral  FX Fraipont (X): don't agree : obviously one language, that is both novel and formulaic. language is singular.
3 hrs
  -> You misunderstand the English, where "language" is used as a collective noun. It's common in English to use the singular where French would use the plural (and sometimes vice versa).

disagree  Francois Boye:
3 hrs
  -> KudoZ Rule 3.5 A peer comment must be based on linguistic evaluations of the answer. These linguistic considerations must be provided in the case of a disagree or neutral comment.

agree  Tony M: Yes, of course, it is clear the singular is being used as a collective noun here: 'language' (uncountable) that is A and 'language' that is B. It's the same sense as using 'strong / bad language'.
5 hrs
  -> Thanks Tony

agree  ormiston
1 day 7 hrs
  -> Thanks
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Langage à la fois nouveau et précisément nuancé


Explanation:
Proposè

HERBET Abel
Local time: 10:51
Works in field
Native speaker of: French

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: It is here contrasting 2 types of language: 'novel' and 'formulaic'
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