public or publicly paid formal care

French translation: soins du secteur public ou à financement public

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English term or phrase:	public or publicly paid formal care
French translation:	soins du secteur public ou à financement public
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15:16 Nov 19, 2014

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English term or phrase: public or publicly paid formal care

Bonsoir, cela fait un petit moment que ce bout de phrase me pose problème, comment la comprenez-vous ?

Différence entre public et publicly ?

Local welfare systems with a high level of generosity towards public or publicly paid formal care for senior citizens usually also are generous in relation to the support of family care.

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Local time: 08:13

soins du secteur public ou à financement public

Explanation:
Selon la discussion, ce qui relève du secteur public par opposition au privé
http://documentation.fhp.fr/documents/16414S.pdf
en France
http://www.hopital.fr/Hopitaux/Espace-Sante-mentale/Prise-en...
ou au Canada:
http://www.pwc.com/ca/fr/healthcare-public-sector/index.jhtm...

ils peuvent être divers:
http://www.hopital.fr/Hopitaux/Nos-missions/L-hopital-au-sei...

et à financement partiellement ou totalement public:
http://economiepublique.revues.org/150
pour le Canada:
http://phprimer.afmc.ca/Lapratiqueameliorerlasante/Chapitre1...
https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/Lifetime_Distributional...

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Didier Fourcot
Local time: 08:13

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soins du secteur public ou à financement public

Didier Fourcot

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population ou soins payés par les autorités de santé

Mireille BOULANGER

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context?

Daryo

Discussion entries: 8

Daryo

United Kingdom

00:23 Nov 20, 2014

public: provided and paid by the public sector
publicly paid: provided by commissioned private contractors and paid from public funds

giving a full context (a study commissioned by the European Union) would have avoided seeing Medicare where there is none

formal care: provided by public institutions or private service providers as opposed to informal care by other family members

Tony M

France

@ Didier

22:45 Nov 19, 2014

I agree with your analysis of the parsing; it would have been helpful if the s/t had been written as 'publicly-paid' to make it clearer.

Didier Fourcot

Je ne crois pas

16:48 Nov 19, 2014

Pour moi le terme principal c'est "formal care", "public" et "publicly paid" sont des adjectifs qualificatifs de ce "formal care": les soins peuvent être publics ou payés par un organisme public

L'APA compense un handicap qui peut être dû à l'âge au à d'autres facteurs, mais "care" c'est l'ensemble des soins, de la consultation du généraliste à l'hospitalisation en passant par l'optique, la dentisterie, les médicaments qui relèvent de la Sécurité Sociale ou des complémentaires santé, pas de l'APA.

Mireille BOULANGER

France

@Didier

16:36 Nov 19, 2014

Si l'on parle de la France, alors 'il s'agit de l'APA, allocation personnalisée autonomie, versées aux personnes âgées dépendantes à domicile..et qui couvre les frais tels que aide ménagère, soins infirmiers, portage repas etc..;

Didier Fourcot

Pour la France

15:52 Nov 19, 2014

je le vois comme soins dispensés en secteur public (hôpitaux) ou sur fonds publics (cliniques, médecins conventionnés): dans les deux cas le client ne paye rien ou seulement le forfait-jour ou ticket modérateur

Jonathan MacKerron

On second thought

15:44 Nov 19, 2014

they appear to be talking about types of care available that are funded by the local welfare systems, not the actual insurance behind it.
"care PROVIDED by public institutions vs. care that is paid for with public funds", though the distinction does not seem overly important in the given sentence.

cjohnstone

France

une idée pour ce qu'elle vaut

15:36 Nov 19, 2014

directement ou indirectement financé sur fonds publics?

Jonathan MacKerron

Perhaps a veiled reference to Medicaid

15:33 Nov 19, 2014

a "socialized" medical insurance progam for the poor, in particular seniors.
In the US, Medicare is perceived as being a proper insurance program to which all contribute, Medicaid as a kind of welfare program.

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population ou soins payés par les autorités de santé

Explanation:
Il s'agit du système de protection sociale très généreux pour l'ensemble des personnes concernées (population) et de soins payés directement par les autorités de santé...pour les citoyens seniors...

Mireille BOULANGER
France
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soins du secteur public ou à financement public

Didier Fourcot
Local time: 08:13
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French
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Reference comments

8 hrs

Reference: context?

Reference information:
IMPACT OF LOCAL WELFARE SYSTEMS ON FEMALE
LABOUR FORCE PARTICIPATION AND SOCIAL
COHESION
....
The analysis of childcare systems in 11 European cities shows the importance to study not only
national childcare systems but also local variation within the national frameworks. Many cities have
created their own childcare policies, which are often more generous than the national policy, and
the use of formal services is at a higher level locally than at the national level. The most evident
examples of progressive local policy-making identified in this project are the two Southern
European cities, Bologna in Italy and Terrassa in Spain. This research shows also that it is
necessary to take different age groups of children into account when childcare systems are
analysed. There are major differences in the formal service provisions and in the use of them
between different age groups of children in all cities, except in Aalborg (Denmark) where
affordable, good quality public services are available and widely used also for the youngest age
group. There is a major gap in most cities in public or publicly subsidized affordable services
especially for children aged 1-2 years. The main problem in the care services for older children is
limited time replacement, as the opening hours of the services do not meet the needs of
mothers/parents working full-time. There are also gaps in services in atypical hours.
With regard to elder care, it was found that (1) local welfare systems with a high level of generosity
towards public or publicly paid formal care for senior citizens are usually also generous in relation
to support for family care; (2) the degree of generosity of local welfare systems differs according to
the type of welfare regime of the national welfare state to which the city belongs, according to
Esping-Andersen’s classical welfare state typology (1990, 2001); (3) in the majority of cities, the
extent of the actual care-provision widely corresponds with the degree of generosity of care
policies. However, the findings also show that it is not possible to treat the care structures and care
provisions as a direct outcome of care policies; i.e. policies do not automatically trigger practices.
This is because older people in need of care, their families, and those employed in care work all
act within the broader framework of complex and often contradictory cultural, institutional, social
and economic contexts of their specific local ‘care arrangements’. The same challenge resulted in
different solutions with different effects for formal female employment in different local contexts
....

http://ec.europa.eu/research/social-sciences/pdf/policy_brie...

http://cordis.europa.eu/result/rcn/54141_en.html

Daryo
United Kingdom
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Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 8

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