even barred from the proverbial table

Portuguese translation: até (mesmo) barradas da(s) mesa(s) de negociação / das decisões

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English term or phrase:even barred from the proverbial table
Portuguese translation:até (mesmo) barradas da(s) mesa(s) de negociação / das decisões
Entered by: Mariana Chevrand

18:30 Mar 15, 2019
English to Portuguese translations [PRO]
Environment & Ecology / Environment & Gender Equality
English term or phrase: even barred from the proverbial table
Hello, everyone.

Yesterday, I was subtitling a video and I came across the following expression: " even barred from the proverbial table".

Here is the subtitle content: "Women are vital voices and agents for change on this planet, and yet we're too often missing or even barred from the proverbial table".


Some native English speaker could kindly help me with the meaning of this expression?

Thanks

My regards.
Mariana Chevrand
Brazil
Local time: 16:24
até (mesmo) barradas da(s) mesa(s) de negociação / das decisões
Explanation:
Sugiro manter a palavra "mesa" (table) na tradução. O documento Violência contra as Mulheres nos Locais de Trabalho diz que...

"A aprovação da Convenção 151 da OIT contribui nessa luta na medida em que, ao estabelecer mesas de negociação coletiva no setor público, possibilitaria que as mulheres levassem essas questões para as cláusulas das negociações coletivas."

E faz a seguinte recomendação no âmbito sindical:
"Junto com a luta pela aprovação da Convenção 151, lutar para aumentar a participação das mulheres nas Mesas de Negociação Coletiva e para assegurar as conquistas de Cláusulas de Gênero e Diversidade. " (Os grifos são meus.)

Fonte: https://www.condsef.org.br/publicacao/cartilha-isp-violencia...

Após ler este artigo, não tenho dúvida de que se trata, literalmente, de mesa de negociação /decisões

"The Seat at the Proverbial Table
HR has been talking about getting a seat at the table, by that they refer to the decision-making management table. Your HR person should want to be involved with corporate direction, and use this information to interact with employees and ensure that your goals can be met with human capital needs. As a leader, you must have an understanding and appreciation of HR beyond the world of administration to even consider inviting HR as a valuable member of your leadership team." - https://hrtopics.com/the-seat-at-the-proverbial-table/
Fonte: https://hrtopics.com/the-seat-at-the-proverbial-table/

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Oliver Simões
United States
Local time: 12:24
Grading comment
Obrigada, muito esclarecedora sua resposta. Realmente o a legenda que estava fazendo dizia respeito em alguns aspectos à igualdade de gênero.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4até excluídas da tomada de decisões
Andrea Pilenso
4até (mesmo) barradas da(s) mesa(s) de negociação / das decisões
Oliver Simões
3até barradas do círculo de decisões
Tereza Rae
Summary of reference entries provided
Another reference
Antonio Chagas

  

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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
até excluídas da tomada de decisões


Explanation:
Sugestão, espero que ajude!

The Seat at the Proverbial Table

HR has been talking about getting a seat at the table, by that they refer to the decision-making management table. Your HR person should want to be involved with corporate direction, and use this information to interact with employees and ensure that your goals can be met with human capital needs. As a leader, you must have an understanding and appreciation of HR beyond the world of administration to even consider inviting HR as a valuable member of your leadership team.


    https://hrtopics.com/the-seat-at-the-proverbial-table/
Andrea Pilenso
Brazil
Local time: 16:24
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Portuguese
Notes to answerer
Asker: Obrigada, Andrea. :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida
17 mins
  -> Muito obrigada, Teresa!

agree  Alcinda Marinho
25 mins
  -> Muito obrigada, Alcinda!

agree  Clauwolf
38 mins
  -> Muito obrigada!

agree  Matheus Chaud
56 mins
  -> Muito obrigada, Matheus!
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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
até barradas do círculo de decisões


Explanation:
Só outra sugestão. :0)

Tereza Rae
Canada
Local time: 15:24
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
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1 day 23 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
até (mesmo) barradas da(s) mesa(s) de negociação / das decisões


Explanation:
Sugiro manter a palavra "mesa" (table) na tradução. O documento Violência contra as Mulheres nos Locais de Trabalho diz que...

"A aprovação da Convenção 151 da OIT contribui nessa luta na medida em que, ao estabelecer mesas de negociação coletiva no setor público, possibilitaria que as mulheres levassem essas questões para as cláusulas das negociações coletivas."

E faz a seguinte recomendação no âmbito sindical:
"Junto com a luta pela aprovação da Convenção 151, lutar para aumentar a participação das mulheres nas Mesas de Negociação Coletiva e para assegurar as conquistas de Cláusulas de Gênero e Diversidade. " (Os grifos são meus.)

Fonte: https://www.condsef.org.br/publicacao/cartilha-isp-violencia...

Após ler este artigo, não tenho dúvida de que se trata, literalmente, de mesa de negociação /decisões

"The Seat at the Proverbial Table
HR has been talking about getting a seat at the table, by that they refer to the decision-making management table. Your HR person should want to be involved with corporate direction, and use this information to interact with employees and ensure that your goals can be met with human capital needs. As a leader, you must have an understanding and appreciation of HR beyond the world of administration to even consider inviting HR as a valuable member of your leadership team." - https://hrtopics.com/the-seat-at-the-proverbial-table/
Fonte: https://hrtopics.com/the-seat-at-the-proverbial-table/



Example sentence(s):
  • Umuarama quer lugar à mesa das decisões.
  • A Mesa Municipal de Negociação Permanente do SUS de natal foi instituída mediante resolução do Conselho Municipal de saúde de NAtal.

    https://youtu.be/h23WfV6gc1I
    https://mesadenegociacao.navi.ifrn.edu.br/35-sinnp/mesa-estadual-rn/mesa-municipal-natal/92-mesa-de-negociacao-permanente-do-sus-no-municipi
Oliver Simões
United States
Local time: 12:24
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Obrigada, muito esclarecedora sua resposta. Realmente o a legenda que estava fazendo dizia respeito em alguns aspectos à igualdade de gênero.
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Reference comments


1 day 16 hrs
Reference: Another reference

Reference information:
I am not a native English speaker, but I stumbled with this definition that could be helpful, and that confirms the sense of the similar suggestions already sent.


    https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/a-seat-at-the-table
Antonio Chagas
Portugal
Native speaker of: Portuguese
Note to reference poster
Asker: Obridada, Antonio. Tem bastante pertinência a sua resposta.

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