one step removed

Spanish translation: (pertenecen a ) la segunda generación

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English term or phrase:one step removed
Spanish translation:(pertenecen a ) la segunda generación
Entered by: dawn39 (X)

14:52 Aug 21, 2003
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English term or phrase: one step removed
Gracias a todos los que contestaron. A continuación, ofrezco más contexto para tratar de obtener la traducción más efectiva.

XXX and his brother and four first cousins are one step removed from the nucleus of the empire, or two, if gende rlineage is aken into account. Their blood ties to XXX are through their mothers, not their fathers.

Mil gracias a todos de nuevo.
Myriam Hernandez
United States
Local time: 02:51
(pertenecen a ) la segunda generación
Explanation:
Hola de nuevo, Myriam.

La explicación a mi opción está en tu pregunta anterior donde dabas menos texto.

Creo que "step" equivale a "generation"

"one step removed" = de la segunda generación

"two steps removed" = de la tercera generación...

Y así sucesivamente. La generación siempre es un número más alto que el "step" que se ha saltado, por decirlo de alguna manera.
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Creo que hay palabras del texto que están mal:

"if *gende rlineage* is *aken* into account." >>> "if *gender lineage* is *taken* into account"
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"XXX and his brother and four first cousins are one step removed from the nucleus of the empire, or two, if gender lineage is taken into account. Their blood ties to XXX are through their mothers, not their fathers"

Posible traducción:

"XXX y su hermano y cuatro primos hermanos pertenecen a la segunda generación del núcleo del imperio, o a la segunda (generación), si se tiene en cuenta el linaje de los padres (masculino o femenino). 1)Sus lazos de sangre con XXX son por parte de sus madres, no de sus padres /
2) Su consanguinidad es materna, no paterna"

lazos de sangre = consanguinidad

Verás que te doy dos versiones para el final: prefiero la segunda por su concisión.
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"... Peritajes de identidad y paternidad, Grupos sanguíneos, ADN ( Este examen tiene
por finalidad determinar el parentesco o **consanguinidad materna o paterna**)"

www.serviciomedicolegal.cl/lab.htm
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Otro cordial saludo.



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Note added at 2003-08-21 16:22:32 (GMT)
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\"**Once Removed** -
... Second cousin, once removed.. Gg.....grandparents.
This **one-generation difference**
equals **\"once removed\"**
*Twice removed* means that there is a *two-generation* ..\"

xaosearch.com/230741/Once_Removed.html
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\"What\'s all this **\"once-removed\"**stuff?
(A Quick Lesson in Terminology)
It\'s really quite simple, if we first understand what it means to be **first cousins**, second cousins, third cousins, and so forth. In the illustration below, it\'s easy to see that if we start with Albert and his wife Anna and call them **Generation One**, then their children, Bobby and Bella, with their spouses, make up **Generation Two** And their respective children, Carl and Christine, are first cousins to each other: **Generation Three**.\"

http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/Cousins once removed

But the term \"first cousin\" really means \"the first generation below the sibling level\". The first cousins\' children, then, Darrel and Debbie, are second cousins to each other (that is, \"the second generation below the sibling level\") and the second cousins\' children, Estela and Efrain, are third cousins to each other, (that is, \"the third generation below the sibling level\"), etc.

Now we have the problem of what to call the relationships of cousins from one level to another--for example, how do we decide how Carl is related to Debbie?

Again, it\'s very simple, because \"once-removed\" really means \"one generation away from\", and \"twice-removed \" really means \"two generations away from\", and so forth. To determine how Carl and Debbie are related, first find which level each is in, then use the higher of the two. Since Carl is in the \"first cousin\" level and Debbie is in the \"second cousin\" level, we use the term \"first cousins\", but we don\'t stop there. Next we must count the distance between the levels--in this case, one generation. Therefore, since Carl and Debbie are ONE generation away from the FIRST COUSIN level, they are \"first cousins once removed\" to each other.





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dawn39 (X)
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Mil gracias, Dawn, y también a todos los que me ayudaron.

Saludos,

Myriam
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1un paso alejados
Teresita Garcia Ruy Sanchez
4 +1fuera del núcleo familiar
Noelia Corte Fernandez
5(pertenecen a ) la segunda generación
dawn39 (X)
4están a un paso (fuera) del núcleo...
JH Trads


  

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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
un paso alejados


Explanation:
XXX y su hermano y cuatro primos hermanos están un paso alejados del núcleo del imperio, o dos, si el género de la línea se toma en consideración. Sus lazos de sangre a XXX son a través de sus madres, no sus padres
Espero te sirva.

Teresita Garcia Ruy Sanchez
Mexico
Local time: 23:51
Works in field
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Juan Gandia: En genealogía se suele utilizar "grados" en lugar de pasos
52 mins
  -> Gracias juanval607

neutral  dawn39 (X): creo que se refiere a que pertenecen a la segunda generación. Un cordial saludo, Teresita
1 hr
  -> Te agradezco la aclaración dawn39. Saludos también
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
están a un paso (fuera) del núcleo...


Explanation:
HTH

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Note added at 2003-08-21 15:02:42 (GMT)
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por un paso quedan fuera del núcleo

están a un eslabón del.....

JH Trads
United States
Local time: 02:51
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 34

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  dawn39 (X): creo que se refiere a que pertenecen a la segunda generación. Un cordial saludo, Hugo
1 hr
  -> no estoy seguro que se trate de generaciones sino más bien de proximidad de "sangre" con la familia nuclear original..saludos :-)
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31 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
fuera del núcleo familiar


Explanation:
Yo optaría por una traducción más libre:

... se encuentran fuera del núcleo familiar imperial, y mucho más alejados del mismo si se tiene en cuenta la genealogía de género (o parentesco de género)...

Noelia Corte Fernandez
Local time: 10:51
Works in field
Native speaker of: Spanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Chapete
26 mins
  -> Gracias :)

neutral  dawn39 (X): creo que se refiere a que pertenecen a la segunda generación. Un cordial saludo, Noelia
1 hr
  -> Estoy de acuerdo con Hugo, no me parece que hable de generaciones sino de lo cerca o lejos que están del núcleo imperial, me imagino que en referencia a la sucesión... pero de nuevo se necesitaría más contexto. Saludos
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
(pertenecen a ) la segunda generación


Explanation:
Hola de nuevo, Myriam.

La explicación a mi opción está en tu pregunta anterior donde dabas menos texto.

Creo que "step" equivale a "generation"

"one step removed" = de la segunda generación

"two steps removed" = de la tercera generación...

Y así sucesivamente. La generación siempre es un número más alto que el "step" que se ha saltado, por decirlo de alguna manera.
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
Creo que hay palabras del texto que están mal:

"if *gende rlineage* is *aken* into account." >>> "if *gender lineage* is *taken* into account"
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
"XXX and his brother and four first cousins are one step removed from the nucleus of the empire, or two, if gender lineage is taken into account. Their blood ties to XXX are through their mothers, not their fathers"

Posible traducción:

"XXX y su hermano y cuatro primos hermanos pertenecen a la segunda generación del núcleo del imperio, o a la segunda (generación), si se tiene en cuenta el linaje de los padres (masculino o femenino). 1)Sus lazos de sangre con XXX son por parte de sus madres, no de sus padres /
2) Su consanguinidad es materna, no paterna"

lazos de sangre = consanguinidad

Verás que te doy dos versiones para el final: prefiero la segunda por su concisión.
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
"... Peritajes de identidad y paternidad, Grupos sanguíneos, ADN ( Este examen tiene
por finalidad determinar el parentesco o **consanguinidad materna o paterna**)"

www.serviciomedicolegal.cl/lab.htm
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
Otro cordial saludo.



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Note added at 2003-08-21 16:22:32 (GMT)
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\"**Once Removed** -
... Second cousin, once removed.. Gg.....grandparents.
This **one-generation difference**
equals **\"once removed\"**
*Twice removed* means that there is a *two-generation* ..\"

xaosearch.com/230741/Once_Removed.html
¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
\"What\'s all this **\"once-removed\"**stuff?
(A Quick Lesson in Terminology)
It\'s really quite simple, if we first understand what it means to be **first cousins**, second cousins, third cousins, and so forth. In the illustration below, it\'s easy to see that if we start with Albert and his wife Anna and call them **Generation One**, then their children, Bobby and Bella, with their spouses, make up **Generation Two** And their respective children, Carl and Christine, are first cousins to each other: **Generation Three**.\"

http://www.zianet.com/jmcdgwin/Cousins once removed

But the term \"first cousin\" really means \"the first generation below the sibling level\". The first cousins\' children, then, Darrel and Debbie, are second cousins to each other (that is, \"the second generation below the sibling level\") and the second cousins\' children, Estela and Efrain, are third cousins to each other, (that is, \"the third generation below the sibling level\"), etc.

Now we have the problem of what to call the relationships of cousins from one level to another--for example, how do we decide how Carl is related to Debbie?

Again, it\'s very simple, because \"once-removed\" really means \"one generation away from\", and \"twice-removed \" really means \"two generations away from\", and so forth. To determine how Carl and Debbie are related, first find which level each is in, then use the higher of the two. Since Carl is in the \"first cousin\" level and Debbie is in the \"second cousin\" level, we use the term \"first cousins\", but we don\'t stop there. Next we must count the distance between the levels--in this case, one generation. Therefore, since Carl and Debbie are ONE generation away from the FIRST COUSIN level, they are \"first cousins once removed\" to each other.







dawn39 (X)
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 20
Grading comment
Mil gracias, Dawn, y también a todos los que me ayudaron.

Saludos,

Myriam
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