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Stickle Pike

English translation: A way over the peak (OR sharp peak)

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English term or phrase:Stickle
Selected answer:A way over the peak (OR sharp peak)
Entered by: B D Finch

01:04 Jul 22, 2015
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Social Sciences - Geography
English term or phrase: Stickle Pike
Stickle Pike is a name of hill in Lake District of UK.
I'm not sure about the meaning of Stickle here. Does it connote Hesitation or Fear (because of the height)?

Many thanks!
updownK
China
Local time: 15:35
A way over the peak
Explanation:
Or a peak with a path over it.

According to "A Complete Guide to the Lakes,: Comprising Minute Directions for the Tourist ... "Stickle" comes from the Saxon word "stigle", meaning "a way over the hill"." https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dPYGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA254&lp...

This may well be connected to the word "stile".



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The lake below Stickle Pike is called Stickle Tarn.

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The same source cited above gives a different definition "an acute point" elsewhere in the same book:
www.ebooksread.com/.../page-27-a-complete-guide-to-the-lake...
"Harrison Stickle (p. 42). Stigle (Sax.) an acute point.
Harrison is evidently a personal name used to distinguish one of
' the Pikes' from the other. Hence our word ' stile,' and * steel.'
' Steel Pike' was the ancient name of this hill, as Mr. West has
it — and we would like to see this name restored."

Given the shape of Stickle Pike, Sharp Peak would seem likely.
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B D Finch
France
Local time: 09:35
Grading comment
Thank you! I think you found the source of the word.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +1steep rocky peak
Yvonne Gallagher
4Stickle Pike
David Hollywood
3 -1A way over the peak
B D Finch
Summary of reference entries provided
Toponymy
Catharine Cellier-Smart

  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
stickle pike
Stickle Pike


Explanation:
just the name and I wouldn't read anything into it other than it might be a difficult climb to reach the top ... hence the name

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"stickle" means to argue or haggle insistently, especially on trivial matters or to raise objections so here I think you have to take the figurative view and read that it's a challenge but don't know if you need to render this idea in Chinese so ...

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basically the idea of "stickle" would translate as "difficult", "challenging", "tough" so that might help you decide

David Hollywood
Local time: 04:35
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you! I think you're right.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: English place names generally do have meanings and they may be derived from various languages: Old English, Norse etc. Realised you're thinking of "stickler": a different word altogether (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/stickle...
7 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
stickle pike
steep rocky peak


Explanation:
it's defined here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_of_Stickle
"...A "stickle" is a hill with a steep prominent rocky top, while a "pike" is a hill with a peaked summit, the name is therefore partly tautological..."

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 08:35
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks. It's a clear explanation.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Claire Cox
5 hrs
  -> Thanks Claire:-)
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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
stickle pike
A way over the peak


Explanation:
Or a peak with a path over it.

According to "A Complete Guide to the Lakes,: Comprising Minute Directions for the Tourist ... "Stickle" comes from the Saxon word "stigle", meaning "a way over the hill"." https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dPYGAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA254&lp...

This may well be connected to the word "stile".



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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-07-22 09:47:59 GMT)
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The lake below Stickle Pike is called Stickle Tarn.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2015-07-22 09:57:13 GMT)
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The same source cited above gives a different definition "an acute point" elsewhere in the same book:
www.ebooksread.com/.../page-27-a-complete-guide-to-the-lake...
"Harrison Stickle (p. 42). Stigle (Sax.) an acute point.
Harrison is evidently a personal name used to distinguish one of
' the Pikes' from the other. Hence our word ' stile,' and * steel.'
' Steel Pike' was the ancient name of this hill, as Mr. West has
it — and we would like to see this name restored."

Given the shape of Stickle Pike, Sharp Peak would seem likely.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 09:35
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Thank you! I think you found the source of the word.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: Not logical! people go over a col or valley. A rocky peak with a path. Do you really think that makes sense?//what is a "sharp peak"?//Kettle/pot springs to mind! I'd have disagreed earlier except I thought no one could take this seriously as possibility
22 hrs
  -> A disagree in support of your own answer is bad manners. When analysing place names research into their historical and linguistic derivation is essential. Stickle Pike is on the way up to Great Pike and is a "sharp peak".
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Reference comments


4 hrs
Reference: Toponymy

Reference information:
see

"Stack (Norse), a columnar rock. Other forms: stake, stick, stickle."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/Misc...

and

"'Pike' - a pointed and rocky summit."
http://www.mountain-journeys.co.uk/lakeland-place-names.html

Catharine Cellier-Smart
Reunion
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
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Asker: Thank you!

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