generally known to the public

English translation: already in the public domain

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English term or phrase:generally known to the public
Selected answer:already in the public domain
Entered by: Yvonne Gallagher

12:45 Jun 14, 2020
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s)
English term or phrase: generally known to the public
Dear guys,
I'm confused when translating the bold part.
Shouldn't it say "excluding information that is generally known to the public through no fault of mine"?

Context:

“Proprietary Information” also means all ideas, concepts, information and written material about a customer or any other third party with whom ABC LTD. does business, disclosed to me by ABC LTD., or acquired from a customer or any other third party with whom ABC LTD. does business, excluding information that is not generally known to the public through no fault of mine and which cannot be discovered or replicated by a third party without substantial expense.
Nam Vo
Vietnam
Local time: 20:30
already in the public domain
Explanation:
I'm not sure about the "not" being an error as I read it with this meaning

excluding ANY information NOT already in the public domain

So, there is proprietary information as in the list, which includes information know only to the company and also the info the company has shared with clients and third parties as listed here.

BUT any information that is ALREADY in the public domain (through no fault of mine) can be excluded as (being) "proprietary" (so not part of that list)

Yes, you could mention it to the client as they may want to make the source text clearer but that's the meaning

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-14 14:58:44 GMT)
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OK yes, it's definitely clearer with the "not" omitted but read it nevertheless as already known to the public from the preceding context

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-14 15:11:42 GMT)
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so yes, I should have said I'd raise it with the client to get them to remove the "not" in the ST

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-14 15:19:23 GMT)
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yes, the writing needs to be tightened up for sure

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Note added at 2 days 1 hr (2020-06-16 14:20:53 GMT) Post-grading
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glad to have helped
Selected response from:

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 13:30
Grading comment
Thank you :)
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Yvonne Gallagher


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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
already in the public domain


Explanation:
I'm not sure about the "not" being an error as I read it with this meaning

excluding ANY information NOT already in the public domain

So, there is proprietary information as in the list, which includes information know only to the company and also the info the company has shared with clients and third parties as listed here.

BUT any information that is ALREADY in the public domain (through no fault of mine) can be excluded as (being) "proprietary" (so not part of that list)

Yes, you could mention it to the client as they may want to make the source text clearer but that's the meaning

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-14 14:58:44 GMT)
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OK yes, it's definitely clearer with the "not" omitted but read it nevertheless as already known to the public from the preceding context

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-14 15:11:42 GMT)
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so yes, I should have said I'd raise it with the client to get them to remove the "not" in the ST

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Note added at 2 hrs (2020-06-14 15:19:23 GMT)
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yes, the writing needs to be tightened up for sure

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Note added at 2 days 1 hr (2020-06-16 14:20:53 GMT) Post-grading
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glad to have helped

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 13:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 58
Grading comment
Thank you :)
Notes to answerer
Asker: No, the information is not ALREADY in the public domain. The sentence is "excluding information that is NOT generally known to the public".

Asker: Thanks, Yvonne for your support! Even the last sentence right after it is confusing. I'll raise query, then :)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tina Vonhof (X): Not should be deleted. The double negative is confusing.
1 hr
  -> Thanks Tina. Indeed it would be a lot clearer

agree  Lydia De Jorge
3 hrs
  -> Thanks:-)

agree  philgoddard
3 hrs
  -> Thanks:-)

agree  Charlesp
18 hrs
  -> Thanks:-)

agree  Dr. Jozsef Dikter: Such verbose ST-s are outcomes of (international) e-mail exchanges. The parties accepted them as final, there is no room for minor issues (no right to evaluate the client's performance).
1 day 7 hrs
  -> Thank you!
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