rite d’installation

12:54 Aug 2, 2012 

Fair enough. Lack of full context never helps the answerers though.

11:06 Aug 2, 2012 

I have already let you know as much of the context as confidentiality permits me to disclose and have also told you what my final translation is, That is more than many KudoZ Askers do. I do have a translation to get on with, so can we please just leave it at that.

10:00 Aug 2, 2012 

Very often, Kudoz questions create debates as it becomes interesting to know the best translation for a given word. It can be useful for the person asking the question but also for those who help. We just want to know the best answer! Nothing to do with points... on this one anyway :)

09:58 Aug 2, 2012 

I am fed up with certain members mis-interpreting my intentions. I have enough points to start a shop up, it has nothing to do with points, goodness me!

09:57 Aug 2, 2012 

"scrabbling for points" is a total irrelevance here. As I said research is evidence-based, this is what counts for me. Kindly post the full context in French with your examples of "rite/s d'installation", then we can all understand, rather than all of us taking a stab in the dark, without full and complete context from the asker.

09:54 Aug 2, 2012 

@Benjamin I am fully aware of that and this is not about a "rite of passage".

@Liz We might have a misunderstanding here: the object of asking a KudoZ question is to help the Asker, rather than to help answerers scrabbling for points. I'm glad that you are taking an interest in anthropology.

09:51 Aug 2, 2012 

Rite d'installation can be translated as "installation rite" as Victor Turner describes it in his "The Liminality of an Installation Rite". He referes to "installation" as a ritual through which a member of a given tribe reaches a higher rank in the community through a liminal phase (in this case by wearing a bracelet previously soaked in sacrifical blood - Ndembu of Zambia). No sign yet of land appropriation... but the word could have several meanings!

English version:
http://www.unoacademia.ch/webdav/site/developpement/shared/d...

French version:
http://www.scienceshumaines.com/les-rites-de-passage_fr_1079...

Strange that I can't remember coming accross that word (after 4 years studying social anthropology in the UK).

09:50 Aug 2, 2012 

Hi,
One last comment, I have found this reference (though not in relation to West Africa)....
Untitled - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?id=DBORe3LVS5QC...
François de Medeiros
... communautaire du fokonolona les tensions d'une société différenciée. Le régime ... L'antériorité d'installation, assurant le contrôle des terres et, normalement, ...

Cheers!

09:33 Aug 2, 2012 

I have been reading all about social anthropology and have even translated one or two texts myself on the subject and know Africans from West Africa. In any case, you still have not provided the full context in French, which I did request from you earlier. This is about context and evidence.

09:25 Aug 2, 2012 

In social anthropology, the most common way to name a ritual through which a boy becomes a man is "rite of passage".

09:21 Aug 2, 2012 

The land is effectively "owned" by the lineage. it is about transmission of land rights which impart lineage status. Though, it could also be used about accession to a leadership/chief role.

09:18 Aug 2, 2012 

Good.
Yes, this fits better.
So, to do with status/transition from boy to man/becoming a chief, rather than land ownership.

08:52 Aug 2, 2012 

Last night, watching the video of the (fake) Queen parachuting from a helicopter, it suddenly struck me that the answer is "accession rites"! Thanks to everybody for your contributions, but I am closing the question.

22:36 Aug 1, 2012 

I'll see tomorrow whether I can give more context. Going to sleep now.

21:58 Aug 1, 2012 

@B D Finch:
why won't you supply the full context in French based on your statement that this refers to land? I would be very interested to see the full French context.

21:24 Aug 1, 2012 

maybe, but "rite" is not a synonym of "right", is it? cheers!

18:58 Aug 1, 2012 

A rite could establish/officialise your right, though!

18:28 Aug 1, 2012 

rite - definition of rite by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/rite
The prescribed or customary form for conducting a religious or other solemn ceremony: the rite of baptism. 2. A ceremonial act or series of acts: fertility rites. 3.

18:27 Aug 1, 2012 

Could we have the full context in French, i.e. where "installation" is used in the document in reference to land occupation...

"rites" are not rights though:)

17:36 Aug 1, 2012 

I now have the further information that, later in the document, "installation" is definitely used in relation to a person obtaining or being given and exercising rights to occupy and use land.