Décalages temporaires sociaux

English translation: (parent company) timing differences

18:12 Apr 11, 2020
French to English translations [PRO]
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French term or phrase: Décalages temporaires sociaux
Variation des impôts différés par nature
La variation des impôts différés de l’exercice est détaillée en fonction des bases d’impôts différés dans le tableau présenté ci-après :

Constitution du groupe
Variation
Compensation IDA/IDP
Allocation PPA
Change
Décembre 2019
Impôts différés actifs
Décalages temporaires sociaux
Yves Barry Ben
France
Local time: 22:04
English translation:(parent company) timing differences
Explanation:
The only reason my confidence level is "High" rather than "Highest - I am sure" is the inclusion of "sociaux".

"Différences temporaires" are "timing differences", of that there is no doubt. I can only imagine that "sociaux" refers to the fact that these differences arise at the parent company (i.e. consolidating entity) level. In practice, as a quick Google search will tell you, the combination "décalages temporaires sociaux" hardly ever occurs, and I'm inclined to suggest that "parent company" is really a bit redundant.
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Rob Grayson
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1(parent company) timing differences
Rob Grayson
4The parent company's temporary lags/gaps (between its net incomes and its taxable incomes)
Francois Boye
3timing differences by (group) company
Adrian MM.
3 -1Provisional corporate offsets
Meridy Lippoldt
3 -2Temporary (short-term) corporate disparities
Timothy Rake
3 -3temporary social gaps/inequalities
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Summary of reference entries provided
Impôts différés // décalages temporaires
Daryo

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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -2
Temporary (short-term) corporate disparities


Explanation:
or "short-term discrepancies"

Timothy Rake
United States
Local time: 13:04
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: a company proudly showing "disparities" or "discrepancies" in their annual accounts wouldn't last very long. and the licence of their accountant would go quickly in smoke// A bit of reality check first?
2 hrs
  -> In the sense that these are not yet reconciled on the books?

disagree  Rob Grayson: Dead wrong. Guesswork doesn't cut it in finance and accounting.
14 hrs
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -3
temporary social gaps/inequalities


Explanation:
https://inequality.stanford.edu/publications/20-facts-about-...

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 15:04
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: Have you read the "Reference comments" section? - would've given some starting ideas about what exactly are these "décalages" ...
7 mins

disagree  Thomas Miles: Anything with 'social' is most likely a guess.
4 hrs

disagree  Rob Grayson: Dead wrong. Guesswork doesn't cut it in finance and accounting.
9 hrs
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
timing differences by (group) company


Explanation:
- sociaux is the descriptor that is new to me: Daryö's ref. suggests a time lag within the group companies *Constitution du groupe* - rather than within a partnership (of individuals and companies) - for the deferred taxes or (capital gains taxes) hold-overs.


Example sentence(s):
  • timing differences definition. Temporary differences between the reporting of a revenue or expense for financial statements (books) and the reporting of the item for *income tax purposes*.

    Reference: http://iate.europa.eu/search/standard/result/1586651402005/1
    Reference: http://www.accountingcoach.com/terms/T/timing-differences
Adrian MM.
Austria
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: This doesn't quite work, but "group company timing differences" does. You could also say "intra-group".
17 hrs
  -> Thanks. You#ve hit the nail on the head. My 'sociaux' quandary was exactly that: intra-group vs. inter-company....

neutral  Daryo: the ref. I found is about differences between the period when results are obtained and periods when they taxed -[i.e Décalages temporaires = shift in time] no mention there of any "group structure" whatsoever.
1 day 1 hr
  -> Your ref. still supports my answer and, for want of a plausible explanation for the weasel-word of 'sociaux', group structure has been implied, namely intra-group or inter-company vs. employment-, industrial or welfare-related.

disagree  Francois Boye: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...
1 day 2 hrs
  -> Good try on an Easter Sunday to Monday with a very narrow ref,!
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Provisional corporate offsets


Explanation:
For me the French decalage denotes a shifting of amounts in order to reconcile accounts and may refer to a fictitious entry.

Meridy Lippoldt
United States
Local time: 16:04
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

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disagree  Rob Grayson: This is one that you either know or you don't. Guesses don't cut it.
7 hrs
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15 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
(parent company) timing differences


Explanation:
The only reason my confidence level is "High" rather than "Highest - I am sure" is the inclusion of "sociaux".

"Différences temporaires" are "timing differences", of that there is no doubt. I can only imagine that "sociaux" refers to the fact that these differences arise at the parent company (i.e. consolidating entity) level. In practice, as a quick Google search will tell you, the combination "décalages temporaires sociaux" hardly ever occurs, and I'm inclined to suggest that "parent company" is really a bit redundant.

Rob Grayson
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:04
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 805

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: clear explanation
1 hr

disagree  Francois Boye: not quite! https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...
17 hrs
  -> This is a red herring: "décalages temporarires" has nothing at all to do with temporary delays in the tax collection process.

neutral  Daryo: "differences in timing" YES but as far as I can see it's IN NO WAY about some inter-group structure // all I could find is the "difference in timing" between the period when the activity occurred and the period when it gets taxed, nothing more.
17 hrs
  -> In IFRS it's a timing difference, not a "difference in timing". "Sociaux" is curious; see my discussion entries.

agree  Rachel Fell
1 day 3 hrs
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2 days 19 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
The parent company's temporary lags/gaps (between its net incomes and its taxable incomes)


Explanation:
Please read the first bullet of this excerpt to have a clearcut definition of 'Décalages temporaires'.



L’impôt différé

L'impôt différé permet de constater un impôt correspondant au résultat économique de l'exercice au titre des opérations de l'entreprise qui sont amenés à générer dans le futur un impôt ou une économie d'impôt non reconnu par la méthode de l'impôt exigible.Des impôts différés sont ainsi calculés sur :

*Les décalages temporaires entre le résultat comptable et le résultat fiscal.

Exemple : constatation d'un impôt différé sur la provision pour risque de 2.000 pour tenir compte de l'économie d'impôt qui sera générée lors de la reprise de la provision.

*Les écritures enregistrées uniquement dans les comptes consolidés ou le reporting (retraitements de consolidation, éliminations d'opérations internes).

Exemple : une provision pour indemnités de départ en retraite est enregistrée dans les comptes consolidés pour 1.200. Cette écriture donne lieu dans les comptes consolidés à constatation d'un impôt différé correspondant à l'économie future d'impôt qui sera réalisée lorsque les indemnitésde départ en retraite seront versées.

*Les pertes fiscales reportables.

Dans les comptes individuels, les pertes fiscales subies au cours d'un exercice sont renseignées dans le tableau 2058-B de la liasse fiscale mais ne font l'objet d'aucune constatation d'économie future d'impôt.
En revanche, dans les comptes consolidés, sous réserve de pouvoir justifier de leur imputation sur des bénéfices futurs, les déficits reportables donnent lieu à constatation d'un impôt différé correspondant à l'économie future.

Exemple : l'exercice N se solde par une perte fiscale de 30.000.
Dans la mesure où cette perte provient d'éléments non récurrents et que les exercices ultérieurs devraient être bénéficiaires compte tenu d'un taux d'impôt de 33.33%, un impôt différé de 10.000 est constaté dans les comptes consolidés.

*Les différences entre valeur comptable d'un actif ou d'un passif et la valeur qui lui est attribuée par l'administration fiscale.

Exemple : suite à l'acquisition de la société S, le bilan consolidé du groupe G comprend un actif dont la juste valeur est de 5.000 tandis que sa valeur dans les comptes individuels de S s'élève à 3.200.
Fiscalement cet écart de 1.800 ne sera jamais déductible soit sous forme d'amortissement soit lors de la cession de l'actif, ce qui implique de constater un impôt différé passif de 1.800 x 33.33% = 600 dans les comptes consolidés.

Cette liste n’est pas exhaustive mais énumère les cas les plus couramment rencontrés.

Source: https://entrepreneurs.pwc.fr/fr/nos-expertises/consolidation...

Francois Boye
United States
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Reference comments


2 hrs
Reference: Impôts différés // décalages temporaires

Reference information:
Impôts différés : Décalages temporaires

Principes

Dans les comptes sociaux, l’impôt comptabilisé correspond à l’impôt exigible, c’est à dire à l’impôt dû ou à recevoir et dont le règlement n’est pas subordonné à la réalisation d’opérations futures. Cependant, les opérations réalisées par l’entreprise peuvent avoir des conséquences fiscales positives ou négatives autres que celles prises en considération pour le calcul de l’impôt exigible. Il en est par exemple ainsi pour des opérations réalisées au cours d’un exercice mais qui ne sont imposables ou déductibles qu’au titre d’un exercice ultérieur. Dans les comptes consolidés, et dans un souci de rattachement de l’impôt au même exercice que les charges et produits qui y sont liés, il convient de calculer un impôt différé sur ces décalages temporaires. Il convient de noter que les charges définitivement non déductibles ou les produits non taxables (différences permanentes) ne donnent jamais lieu à la constatation d’un impôt →


https://www.conso-online.com/principes-consolidation/bases-c...

Daryo
United Kingdom
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
neutral  Francois Boye: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employe...
1 day 6 hrs
  -> why would you go looking for "self-employed" people when this is obviously NOT about them ??? + IRS is hardly of ANY relevance in FRANCE
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