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mais une exigence ou un combat.

English translation: but rather to make demands or fight for a cause

00:35 Jun 30, 2020
French to English translations [PRO]
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
French term or phrase: mais une exigence ou un combat.
Evidemment on pourrait fonder un orchestre, ou faire du théâtre dans la rue. Animer, comme on dit, le quartier. Souder ensemble les gens d’une rue ou d’un groupe de rues par autre chose qu’une simple connivence, mais une exigence ou un combat.
peyman eshqi
Iran
Local time: 03:13
English translation:but rather to make demands or fight for a cause
Explanation:
I think that this translation conveys the intent of the original sentence. Yet, there must be a shorter way to say it.
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Pablo Molina
United States
Local time: 17:43
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2but (for) a need or a cause
AllegroTrans
4 +1but to meet a need or fight for something
philgoddard
4 +1but rather to make demands or fight for a cause
Pablo Molina
4but a call or cause
SafeTex
4but by making demands on them [the people], making them fight
Séverine Watson
3But (instead) to demand or protest
ormiston
2but rather to put on a show or competition
David Hollywood
Summary of reference entries provided
David Hollywood
quote from Georges Perec
cchat

Discussion entries: 1





  

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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
but rather to put on a show or competition


Explanation:
not much more than a guess

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Note added at 19 mins (2020-06-30 00:54:16 GMT)
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"or a competition" is better in English

David Hollywood
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
but to meet a need or fight for something


Explanation:
I assume that's what "combat"means.

philgoddard
United States
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Séverine Watson: This would work if "combat" is intended in a positive way, however it strikes me that it may also be construed as the idea of tackling or combatting injustices for example. I may be off the mark here, but just wanted to float that idea!
3 hrs
  -> Tackling or combating injustice means fighting for justice.
agree  Victoria Britten
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
but a call or cause


Explanation:
Hello

It's not just about having two words that start with a "C" following "connivance" but at very first glance, I thought that "combat" (in French) was "cause" in English (to fight for a cause).

SafeTex
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But (instead) to demand or protest


Explanation:
My stab at it. Using it as a tool, to tackle an issue (I sense the underlying French idea of 'engagé').

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Note added at 7 heures (2020-06-30 07:39:33 GMT)
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I.e. to make a point

ormiston
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but by making demands on them [the people], making them fight


Explanation:
This is the term taken from page 82 of the book entitled 'Georges Perenc's Geographies' talking about communities, neighbourhoods and "togetherness".

Here's the exerpt: "[Perenc] would be less opposed to the collective practice of street theatre, or of music, and he does not close down the idea of there being other means of binding people - 'making demands on them, making them fight'..."

I hope the link works properly as it came from my Google search:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=_i26DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA...

Big thanks to @cchat for the helpful reference.


    https://books.google.fr/books?id=_i26DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=%22georges+perec%22+%22combat%22+%22exigence%22&source=bl&ots=wguVAAnvjK&s
Séverine Watson
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
but (for) a need or a cause


Explanation:
Not happy with the idea of a fight or a struggle


AllegroTrans
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Cathy Rosamond: Short and to the point.
3 hrs
  -> thank you
agree  Brigitte Pirot (X)
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4 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
but rather to make demands or fight for a cause


Explanation:
I think that this translation conveys the intent of the original sentence. Yet, there must be a shorter way to say it.

Pablo Molina
United States
Local time: 17:43
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PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Yolanda Broad
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Reference comments


10 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference

Reference information:
In rhetoric, exigence is an issue, problem, or situation that causes or prompts someone to write or speak. The term exigence comes from the Latin word for "demand." It was popularized in rhetorical studies by Lloyd Bitzer in "The Rhetorical Situation" ("Philosophy and Rhetoric," 1968).

David Hollywood
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
neutral  philgoddard: Exigence means need.
3 hrs
agree  ormiston: Phil, not necessarily
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6 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: quote from Georges Perec

Reference information:
It's apparently a frequently quoted text by Georges Perec.


    Reference: http://ahqg.free.fr/ahqgv2/html/dcdg/cotegare1.pdf
cchat
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PRO pts in category: 8

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agree  writeaway
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