marche salutante

14:39 Sep 27, 2020
French to English translations [PRO]
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French term or phrase: marche salutante
Trouble de la marche qui je n'arrive pas à trouver dans les dictionnaires à ma disposition.
Caroline Milhau
France
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1shuffling gait
Michael Barnett
4 -1Drop Foot (Foot Drop) / Steppage Gait (Footdrop Gait)
Drmanu49
3 -1hip flexure contracture gait
Sue Davis
2antalgic gate
Anne Schulz
1saluting gait
Andrzej Ziomek
Summary of reference entries provided
Definition
SafeTex
gait pattern of idiopathic scoliosis
José Patrício
Ref.
Rachel Fell

Discussion entries: 18





  

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20 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Drop Foot (Foot Drop) / Steppage Gait (Footdrop Gait)


Explanation:

Orientation diagnostique devant un trouble de la marche et de ...
www-sante.ujf-grenoble.fr › troublspe › leconimprim
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de l'équilibre, les troubles de la marche ont une présentation souvent ... Une démarche salutante, souvent douloureuse et caractérisée par un appui bref du.
de DV FRAIX - ‎2005 - ‎Autres articles

Une démarche salutante, souvent douloureuse et caractérisée par un appui bref du membre inférieur avec flexion exagérée du genou et du tronc, est évocatrice d’une lésion radiculaire L5-S1.


Abnormalities in Muscle Function During Gait in Relation to ...
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A comparison between gait in patients undergoing surgery for L4 and L5 lumbar ... flexors, was found only in patients with a lesion to the L5-S1 disc, but not in those with ... of velocity, stride length, and cadence in patients with nerve disorder.
The Interdisciplinary Management of Foot Drop - NCBI
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17 mai 2019 - The most common causes are L5 radiculopathy and peroneal nerve ... “gait disturbance“, “quality of life“, “peroneal nerve lesion“, “L5 nerve ...
de AE Carolus - ‎2019 - ‎Cité 6 fois - ‎Autres articles


The Interdisciplinary Management of Foot Drop - NCBI
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17 mai 2019 - Foot drop can be due to a disturbance at any central or peripheral ... “gait disturbance“, “quality of life“, “peroneal nerve lesion“, “L5 nerve root“, ... A radicular lesion of the L5 root is not only associated with foot drop, but also ... Muscle, Function, L5, S1, Deep peroneal nerve, Superficial peroneal nerve, Tibial
de AE Carolus - ‎2019 - ‎Cité 6 fois - ‎Autres articles

Drop Foot (Foot Drop) and Steppage Gait (Footdrop Gait)
www.spineuniverse.com › sciatica
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2 juil. 2019 - Drop foot is a symptom of an underlying spinal condition, such as spinal ... disorder that affects the patient's ability to raise their foot at the ankle. ... L4, L5, S1), trauma to the sciatic nerve, spondylolisthesis, spinal stenosis, ...

Drmanu49
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neutral  SafeTex: Hello DrManu49: I don't think it's this which is a foot/ankle problem rather than symptoms at the torso/knee caused by a radicular problem. But i prefer to give a neutral as I don't do medical stuff and so i'm not sure
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disagree  Michael Barnett: The text says nothing about a foot drop. This is a very specific sort of infirmity caused by an L5 neuropathy.
2 hrs
  -> lésion radiculaire L5-S1 in my definition
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hip flexure contracture gait


Explanation:
https://www.cram.com/flashcards/pt-511-kinesiolgy-final-exam...

please look at the image on page 5


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This seems the same as the image on slide 15 HERE

http://clubortho.fr/cariboost_files/ifsi_coxarthroses.pdf

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Patients with flexion contractures often walk with a bent-knee gait. This provides increasing strain on the quadriceps and increasing strain contact forces in the patellofemoral joint and Tibiofemoral joint when the flexion deformity is more than 15 degress of extensor lag.

There is early joint degradation that includes cartilage erosion, meniscal injury, ligament strains, associated tightness of TFL and the main muscles around the hip and ankle joint like iliopsoas, hamstrings, Gastrosoleus, Quadriceps and adductors or abductors of hip depending upon if there is a secondary deformity of either genu varum or genu valgum and patella alta.

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I think "salutante" may refer to the leaning forward from the hip as if bowing

Sue Davis
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disagree  Michael Barnett: You, Safetex and Manu are all quoting descriptions of conditions that list the "marche salutante" as but one of the features. They are not descriptions of the actual term.//Maybe in Japan. 😉
6 mins
  -> did you look at my refs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
shuffling gait


Explanation:
I had not encountered this term before, but I love it. The French really have a flair for metaphorical language. Literally, it is a "salutary" gait, because you hear it before you see it - the shuffling sound of the feet dragging along the floor. You can indeed get this from a foot drop, but there are other conditions that will produce a shuffle.

http://clubortho.fr/cariboost_files/ifsi_coxarthroses.pdf
https://www.wordreference.com/fren/maquignon

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http://gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=17089367

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@Sue. That is right, it is not a diagnosis and it is not intended to be. It is a clinical sign. My first reference links "marche salutante" with "signe du maquignon" and "signe du maqignon" is described well in the 3rd reference.

Michael Barnett
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disagree  Sue Davis: Sue Davis: the slide in the ref we both used shows the hip and knee in flexion. A shuffling gait is a pretty general term implying dragging the feet, it does not indicate the pathology in question and does not indicate the leaning forward of the trunk.
29 mins

agree  SafeTex: After discussion, I think this could actually be the right answer after all
5 hrs
  -> Thanks SafeTex! 😎

disagree  Drmanu49: Sorry to disagree but this would mean prolonged contact with the floor and does not correspond to "appui bref du membre inférieur " //limping diagnosed by its sound is not necessarily shuffling, i.e. sound made by different weight bearing.
18 hrs
  -> "Appui bref du membre inferieur" does not appear in the source text. It is taken from your own refetence, which is describing a condition of which shuffling is but one aspect. How do you explain my reference 3?

agree  José Patrício
2 days 12 hrs
  -> Thanks Jose.

agree  Rachel Fell: I put a couple of refs. below, not sure how relevant.
7 days
  -> Thanks Rachel
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17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
antalgic gate


Explanation:
In context with the problems leading to "marche salutante", reference is sometimes made to "antalgic gait". Antalgic gait is unfortunately not really well defined in terms of the associated posture or noises, and is less specific a term than marche salutante. Yet, if no specificity is required in your text, antalgic gait may be a workaround for your list.

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Sorry - "gait", of course... (not quite awake yet on this gray and foggy morning)

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Regarding Micheal's concern: I am aware that antalgic gait is not a perfect or precise translation of marche salutante. Yet, we still don't have any context, we don't know whether or not the metaphor or salutation needs to be preserved, we don't know whether the exact type of posture or other features of marche salutante need to be reflected in the translation. All we know is "a list of walking disorders, with no explanation for each one". Marche salutante is used in context with coxalgia or radicular pain, and "antalgic gait" therefore may (or may not) do the job for a list of walking disorders.

Anne Schulz
Germany
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Michael Barnett: I thoght of antalgic gait initially, but dropped the idea after reading my references. It has no connection to the metaphor of salutation.
3 hrs
  -> Hi Michael, I agree, and this is (also) what I meant by "less specific". See my added note, please.
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2 days 6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
saluting gait


Explanation:
What I have found is, apart from a couple of hits on veterinary pages, the word 'saluting' used in the description of gait disorders in humans too (see references below).


    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Comparison-of-clinical-gait-analysis-strategies-by-Watelain-Froger/a5224b8f4327c43c9ef372422ea89859a8c
Andrzej Ziomek
Poland
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Reference comments


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Reference: Definition

Reference information:
A good description and probable cause


    Reference: http://www-sante.ujf-grenoble.fr/SANTE/corpus/disciplines/ne...
SafeTex
France
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agree  Drmanu49: Yes published by a team I work with and the definition I quoted in my answer.
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7 hrs
Reference: gait pattern of idiopathic scoliosis

Reference information:
marche salutante is idiomatic and I don’t find translation in English. One possibility of the abdormal walk is scoliosis, so, I guess gait pattern of idiopathic scoliosis. Only the phrase siens can check the answer.
Good luck
gait pattern of idiopathic scoliosis - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02680...
Scoliosis; Developmental delay (late walking); Pes planus (flat feet
Toe walking in adults: While doctors usually associate toe walking with children, it's possible the condition can affect adults - https://www.healthline.com/health/toe-walking#adults
https://scholars.lib.ntu.edu.tw/bitstream/123456789/83689/1/...
Toe walking is a walking pattern where a person walks on the balls of their feet instead of with their heels touching the ground. - https://www.healthline.com/health/toe-walking
While this is a common walking pattern in children younger than 2 years old, most people eventually adopt a heel-to-toe walking pattern. – the same link
Scoliosis: standing and walking is placed on the ball of the foot and the heel of the foot - https://www.thefootpractice.com/scoliosis/
Scoliosis: There can also be a reduction in the body’s natural counter-rotating motion that engages the hips and shoulders during walking. - https://www.scoliosisreductioncenter.com/blog/what-does-scol...
Toe walking out of habit, also known as idiopathic toe walking, sometimes runs in families. - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/toe-walking/s...
In the erect posture there was some clinical evidence of an idiopathic lumbar scoliosis, convex to the right side. Toe walking (S1) and heel walking (L5) power were normal. - https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-prof...
The link with right hip contracture or limitations results in asymmetries of walking - https://books.google.pt/books?id=2_JGCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA88-IA8&lp...


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Not siens but sense - Only the phrase sense can check the answer

José Patrício
Portugal
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6 days
Reference: Ref.

Reference information:
On page 6:

Dans les atteintes radiculairesL5 ou S1 unilatérales, le patient peut présenter la classique démarche salutante du sciatalgique. L'appui sur la jambe est bref et nécessite une flexion du genou et à un moindre degré du tronc.

https://studylibfr.com/doc/1686738/troubles-de-la-marche-et-...

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...astute family members can point out slightly reduced arm swing on one side, reduced stride length or clearance from the floor (causing the appearance of dragging one leg) and stooped posture. Shuffling gait is sometimes better heard than seen, especially since it is commonly asymmetric at onset.

https://www.pacificneuroscienceinstitute.org/movement-disord...

Rachel Fell
United Kingdom
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