visa par la Marine Marchande

08:34 Nov 5, 2019 

@Daryo, thank you for your input, which was very useful.

11:54 Nov 2, 2019 

I would retain the FR-language reference in the translation, without upscaling it to the authority above or downscaling it to the authority below. In English, I'd use "maritime authorities", or something similar, with no capital letters, as a generic term and not as a translation of "Affaires Maritimes". The FR does not provide indicate the specific level of the authority so I think it is best to retain the original (which is what they'd have to look for).

08:39 Nov 2, 2019 

Thanks all. My doc is very similar to BD's examples - there must be a template for the transfer of pleasure boats. However, this one is a sale of contract between a bank who own the boat (a catamaran) and an individual buying it. No room for actual signature by the Marine Marchande on this contract. However, I very much see visa here as approval, not a travel visa, by an authority involved in registering the transfer and possibly providing authorising use of the boat

08:00 Nov 2, 2019 

Looking at the bottom of the last page of B D's first reference, this visa is a signature and probably a stamp too that confirm that body's agreement to the loan document. So, "en cas de refus de visa par la Marine Marchande" > "if not signed and stamped by French ship-registering authorities". This sounds as informal as the French text does.

11:51 Nov 1, 2019 

If you look at the bottom of the last page of the first reference I posted, you will see that, alongside the spaces for the signatures of the parties, there is a space for the "visa" of the "Marine Marchande". That seems to me to indicate that it is a single, specific body. However, it seems I was wrong about "Chamber of Shipping" and that it's:
" l'administrateur des affaires maritimes du port principal d'exploitation de ce navire," or
"[s]i ce port ne peut être déterminé, l'administrateur des affaires martimes compétent est désigné par le ministre chargé de la marine marchande".

11:06 Nov 1, 2019 

Thanks BD. The authorities named in the text are the DDTM/Maritime Affaires and the local custom's office registering the boat for the French flag register. There is no clear indication as to which maritime authority this one is.

09:58 Nov 1, 2019 

The problem with "Maritime Authorities" is that it is too vague and would cover other, irrelevant (in this context) authorities.

08:58 Nov 1, 2019 

Morning. No need to apologise, I just meant that I had stumbled on a very similar link. Thanks for your help. I have used a bland "if not approved for registration by the Maritime Authorities". Fits in with Daryo's thoughts

22:21 Oct 31, 2019 

Hello Julie

Opps. Sorry for using the link that you had already used. I really didn't see this.
If you want to put up the same suggestion, I'll withdraw mine. Or alternatively, if you come to a different conclusion, please put it up so that we can check it out

Regards

SafeTex

21:38 Oct 31, 2019 

the first page of this link is quite similar and has the same phrase at the bottom of the first page. http://www.jet-evasion.fr/documents/fichiers-pdf-acte-vente-...

21:31 Oct 31, 2019 

I also have a separate reference to "Affaires Maritimes". Could Marine Marchande really be one and the same?

21:26 Oct 31, 2019 

@Safetex, I had already been referring to that link! I am not sure for your answer as there is already a reference to the local customs office, so think that it is separate from your proposal?
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/how-to-obtain-the-french-f...

21:23 Oct 31, 2019 

thanks Daryo, yes the boat is registered for the French Flag Register

21:22 Oct 31, 2019 

Hi Florence yes the boat is registered with the local customs office

20:42 Oct 31, 2019 

in this text is the unofficial name for the authority that needs to approve ("donner son visa") the sale / accept to register the ship under French flag.

As shown on this sample: http://www.jet-evasion.fr/documents/fichiers-pdf-acte-vente-...

this authority is the one referred to as "[après visa par] le quartier d'immatriculation du navire" = the local registry of ships.

"procéder à l'immatriculation du navire auprès du quartier des Affaires Maritimes choisi" would indicate that the official name for the institution holding this Ship Register at local level (le quartier choisi) is "les Affaires Maritimes".

The use of this informal name ("la Marine Marchande") is probably so ingrained that this informal name is used even in contracts.

So here "la Marine Marchande" is a reference to the state authority in charge of the Merchant navy (must be informal, can't find any institution with that official name) and in practice it's the local office of "les Affaires Maritimes".

19:50 Oct 31, 2019 

le navire devra être francisé d'ou le visa des affaires maritimes (les délégations à la mer et au littoral)