Gerichts- und Feldschieder-Mitglied
English translation: honorary assessor and county/city/village land surveyor
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peer agreement (net): +1honorary assessor and county/city/village land surveyor Explanation: Not obsolete, as it seems. Incredibly, but true, they still exist. As I understand it, these people have existed since Roman times (!) and have the task of deciding where boundary marking stones should be. They are sworn for life it seems and there are as many as needed for the city, village or county (as there are bailiffs and used to be chimney sweeps like this until 2012). A member of such a group must be born in the place, be a 'citizen' for at least ten years (I suppose this means having the right to vote and have the status of a citizen in the Roman sense). And they must have mastered calculus and writing as well as not given to drink or other abuse and be a peaceful person. ;) As they were the only people in the community who knew exactly where a marking stone was to be put, they also had judicial powers to settle disputes about land boundaries. In older times (before satellite-aided land surveying) they put secret markings in the shapes of pieces of glass, ceramics or special seals under the stone or made a sign on the bottom of it, only known to those who had put the stone and to their successors so as to ensure that the stone was not moved (the secret marking would be gone in that case). Their function is still carried on today, although the real land surveying work is of course given to people who know more about it and who have the tools, but they are still present and in many cases where new marking stones should be put (apparently) they still have the respect of the community, so that when they show the desired location of the marking stone, because they declare to have found their secret marking, they will be believed without further ado. 'Gerichtsmitglied refers to the fact that this person can act as the assistant of a judge. It is a synonym for Gerichtsbeisitzer (Heidelberg University dictionary). For a definiton, see my reference. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 16 hrs (2012-03-20 14:02:51 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- You could put 'honorary' between brackets. 'Ehrsam' actually means 'honoured', but it sounds a bit odd in this context. Reference: http://www.ale-mittelfranken.bayern.de/publikationen/linkurl... Reference: http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/seite.html?id=106643 |
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| Reference: Feldschieder Reference information: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GEN-DE/2002-11... A Feldschieder was a land-surveyor. That means he was a technician, a geometer of land-surveying, not a judge. Source: Grammatisch-kritisches Wörterbuch von J.C. Adelung (1811): Der Feldmesser, des -s, plur. ut nom. sing. ein Künstler, welcher Felder und ganze Ländereyen ausmisset und in Grund leget; im Oberd. ein Untergänger, Siebner, Feldscheider, Feldschieder, im Brandenb. ein Landmesser. |
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| Reference: Feldschieder Reference information: http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~cd2/drw/e/fe/ldsc/hied/... http://www.wuerzburg.de/de/uebersicht/stadtinfo/wml/teil5/33... -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 1 Stunde (2012-03-19 22:31:51 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Markscheider / bounder, mine surveyor is a somewhat similar term |
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| Reference: reference Reference information: Genealogy - Eisenbeiß Family History & Genealogy - Webs eisenbeisz.webs.com/Genealogy/EisenbeiszGenealogy.txt aa29: HANNSS EYSENBEIß Einwohner 1620 Untertam des Balthasar Friedrich ..... Schäufler 1680 Mitglied des Gerichts (Member of Court) in Freudenstadt oo ... -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 56 mins (2012-03-19 22:22:53 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Feldmesser www.burgfuehrer-hohenneuffen.de/.../99-feldmes... - Translate this page 8. Juli 2009 – Personen, zum Theil aus den Mitgliedern des Magistrats, und zum Theil aus ... Der Felduntergang hatte wie jedes Gericht einen Präsidenten. .... Dreier, Eidbrüder, Feldgeschworene, Feld-richter, Feldschieder, Feldsteußler, ... -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 57 mins (2012-03-19 22:24:26 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- RootsWeb: GEN-DE-L Re: What is a Feldschieder archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/.../1038214012 - Translate this page 25. Nov. 2002 – I don't feel like I have learned anything > from this. Does anyone have a more contemporary definition? A Feldschieder was a land-surveyor. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 59 mins (2012-03-19 22:25:37 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Thomas Hickey wrote: > > In a translation of a Gamburg church record from the early 1800s I found > that one of my ancestors was a feldschieder, which has been translated as an > "arbitrator of field disputes". I don't feel like I have learned anything > from this. Does anyone have a more contemporary definition? A Feldschieder was a land-surveyor. That means he was a technician, a geometer of land-surveying, not a judge. Source: Grammatisch-kritisches Wörterbuch von J.C. Adelung (1811): Der Feldmesser, des -s, plur. ut nom. sing. ein Künstler, welcher Felder und ganze Ländereyen ausmisset und in Grund leget; im Oberd. ein Untergänger, Siebner, Feldscheider, Feldschieder, im Brandenb. ein Landmesser. Helge Robitzsch -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 1 hr (2012-03-19 22:47:23 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- hope this helps I don't actually do German, but these references should help you to reach a conclusion. |
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