Irrtum und Zwischenverkauf, Vermietung bleiben vorbehalten

English translation: Subject to error, prior sale and prior leasing/letting

11:45 Jul 5, 2020

German to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Real Estate

German term or phrase: Irrtum und Zwischenverkauf, Vermietung bleiben vorbehalten

In an estate agent/Makler contract.

Luiza Jewitt KudoZ activity Questions: 3 (none open) Answers: 1 Germany
Local time: 09:24

English translation:Subject to error, prior sale and prior leasing/letting

Explanation:
I think the source may contain an error, where 'Vermietung' should be 'Zwischenvermietung' and dentoed in the sentence as "-vermietung'....

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...denoted...

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If the typo is confirmed, we could also say:

"subject to error, prior sale, prior leasing and/or letting"

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A similar example reads as"
"Subject to error, prior sale or letting arrangements."
https://upmarketproperties.de/en/agbs/

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And the original German source:
"Irrtum und Zwischenverkauf oder Zwischenvermietung bleiben vorbehalten."
https://upmarketproperties.de/agbs/

Selected response from:

Chris Pr
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:24

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Summary of answers provided

4 +3

Subject to error, prior sale and prior leasing/letting

Chris Pr

4 +1

[See my suggestion]

philgoddard

4 +1

error, prior sale and leasing/letting (are) reserved/subject to change

David Hollywood

error, prior sale or lease (are) reserved

Carmen Lawrence

3 +1

(description) subject to errors, prior sale or lease of the property

Johanna Timm, PhD

3 +1

We accept no liability for errors in the description and reserve the right to sell or let...

Lancashireman

Discussion entries: 11

philgoddard

United States

06:01 Jul 7, 2020

There's nothing wrong with contributing to questions in languages that you don't translate. I once picked up some points for a question in Basque, which I don't speak a word of.

Johannes Gleim

@ Luiza

18:24 Jul 5, 2020

Please post the full phrase, explain us the background and answer the questions raised in the discussion! This would us enable to understand the subject of the contract and the sense of the phrase in the wider context.

As "Vermietung" sounds strange after "Zwischenverkauf" for Germans like me, especially, as this term is not attached by "und" or "oder", I also suppose that a correctly formulated German clause would be "Irrtum und Zwischenverkauf oder -vermietung bleiben vorbehalten".

Is this a contact translated from another language? In such cases you should refer to the genuine source text if available from the client.

Adrian MM.

Austria

Contract made or to be made with whom and where?

16:29 Jul 5, 2020

Perchance the asker can clarify with whom the contract is made; is it the seller or the buyer - or both, possible in some German-speaking countries - with the Makler or the latter with the buyers or the sellers. And is this a German-speaking country or e.g. Spain?

Otherwise, a similar UK scenario would refer to a mistake of fact (usually of property measurements) vs. of the law and a prior, unregistered sale (common in Spain for tax reasons) or letting (there is a third-party in occupation).

Meantime: https://eng.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/business-commer...

David Hollywood

16:19 Jul 5, 2020

6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other

Chris Pr

United Kingdom

15:55 Jul 5, 2020

Then it must be a contract containing this proviso..
Besides, the source here appear to be an over-abbreviated version of:
"Irrtum und Zwischenverkauf oder Zwischenvermietung bleiben vorbehalten."
https://upmarketproperties.de/agbs/
Hence my query to Luiza about a possible typo...or maybe even omission?

philgoddard

United States

15:48 Jul 5, 2020

But Luiza says this is a contract, not an offer.

Chris Pr

United Kingdom

A perfectly universal term...

15:44 Jul 5, 2020

...in real estate...also in summing up the T&Cs...
"Offers are made subject to error, prior sale, price change or omissions."

philgoddard

United States

15:33 Jul 5, 2020

I can't help feeling that none of the answers so far conveys a really clear meaning - subject to error? Error reserved? I think the translation may need to be written out in more detail, and be longer than the German. But I'm not totally clear what the German means.

David Hollywood

15:17 Jul 5, 2020

Zwischenvermietung gibt's, aber in diesem Fall steht Vermietung und OK

David Hollywood

15:15 Jul 5, 2020

no problem with the formulation of the ST IMO

Chris Pr

United Kingdom

Luiza

13:32 Jul 5, 2020

I'm wondering if your source text contains a typo, since the majority of searches return a hyphenated '-vermietung', such as, "Unsere Nachweise sind freibleibend; Zwischenverkauf und -vermietung..."?
Or perhaps missing a "bzw" between the two terms...?

Answers

30 mins confidence:

error, prior sale or lease (are) reserved

Explanation:
Reservation is made for possible error, prior sale, or lease

Carmen Lawrence
Greece
Local time: 10:24
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Subject to error, prior sale and prior leasing/letting

Chris Pr
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:24
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 11

Grading comment

Selected automatically based on peer agreement.

Notes to answerer

Asker: I agree that it is a typo in the ST as this would make much more sense. Thank you, everyone.

5 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

(description) subject to errors, prior sale or lease of the property

Explanation:
„Zwischenverkauf /Zwischenvermietung“ bedeuten, dass die Immobilie zwischenzeitlich auch verkauft oder vermietet werden kann, wenn sich (vor Vertragsabschluss mit dem interessierten Kunden) noch ein anderer Käufer findet.

„Irrtum“ bezieht sich auf irrtümlich gemachte falsche Angaben (etwa zur Größe oder zum Preis der Immobilie).

https://www.finanzfrage.net/g/frage/was-heisst-zwischenverka...

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 00:24
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 119

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

disagree

Chris Pr: This is a direct copy of an existing entry... // Edited to reflect the blatantly 'partisan' intervention...//Sorry Johanna, but a third-party has forced the move...//I didn't say anything about 'habitually and mindlessly'.... ;)

2 hrs

-> Thank you for your comment! These things (posting similar answers) do happen, and I’m truly sorry if you think that am habitually and mindlessly copying my colleagues’ answers. Wishing you a relaxed and successful week!

agree

writeaway: The neutral-now-turned-disagree is unwarranted and unfair. The is a clearer wording and your explanation in German is very helpful.

6 hrs

-> Thank you :-)

neutral

AllegroTrans: saying "subject to errors" implies that there ARE errors and I don't see how it can mean this, but the tone of the CP disagree is entirely unwarranted

20 hrs

-> agree that the sentence should be split to be make sense - that's why I added my explanations -

agree

TonyTK

1 day 2 hrs

-> Thanks, Tony!

neutral

philgoddard: I agree with Allegro. Also, this is grammatically incorrect - it should be "and to prior". Otherwise you're saying "subject to errors of the property".

1 day 12 hrs

7 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

[See my suggestion]

Explanation:
I feel this needs to be spelt out in more detail than the previous answers, which are not easy to understand and in some cases are grammatically incorrect. So I suggest:

Errors and omissions excepted [this is a standard term meaning that the contract will not become invalid if it contains mistakes]. Contract may be invalidated if the property has been sold or rented to a third party.

philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 59

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

Chris Pr: A dictionary definition is not being sought here... // Also, but unrelated to you, Phil, these serial partisan interventions by your Francophone (only, so it seems) colleague are becoming all too transparent...

10 mins

-> Who said anything about a dictionary definition? This is my suggested translation. The bit in square brackets is my explanation of "errors and omissions excepted", in case Luiza isn't familiar with it.

neutral

writeaway: this is more of a reference comment, not really an answer. And you've included a lot of elements nowhere in the phrase actually asked

3 hrs

-> It's an answer. It's longer than the German because literal translations don't work.

agree

AllegroTrans: This was my first thought when I saw the ST - we need to use sensible English rather than Engleutsch

18 hrs

-> Thank you.

neutral

Björn Vrooman: Agree you should spell it out, but your explanation makes no sense to me (we've had a Maklervertrag before). E.g., Irrtum vorbehalten doesn't apply to the whole contract (that'd be illegal) but to an agent's non-binding offers (->invitatio ad offerendum).

3 days 17 hrs

21 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

error, prior sale and leasing/letting (are) reserved/subject to change

Explanation:
I would suggest

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e.g.: Zwischenverkauf bzw. Vermietung und Verpachtung bleiben dem Verkäufer ausdrücklich vorbehalten, es sei denn, dass hierfür eine gesonderte Vereinbarung getroffen wird. ziegert-immobilien.de
They shall expressly be subject to prior sale, letting or leasing by the Seller unless otherwise specified by a separate agreement.

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Hi Luiza and welcome to proz :) normally you have to restrict question content but no worries

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and another example: Alle Angebote in der Datenbank sind freibleibend und vorbehaltlich Zwischenverkauf und -vermietung. concept02.at
All offers in the database are subject to change and to prior sale and leasing.

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might need a little polishing in your specific context but that's up to you :)

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glad to have helped and enjoy this great site :)

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the "great debate" is typical on the German front so you decide based on your own knowledge

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we help with ideas but you have the final call

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and you'll see the form as you go along :)

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see what I mean :)

David Hollywood
Local time: 04:24
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 59

Notes to answerer

Asker: Sorry, I just got my paid membership and am still learning all the ropes. That is similar to what I was thinking and was stuck on how to phrase it. Thank you.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Teangacha (X): 'The right is reserved to error, prior sale and prior/interim leasing.' 'Error, prior sale and prior/interim leasing excepted.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errors_and_omissions_excepted

9 mins

-> thanks Irene and wholly approve of your pro-bono work :) the gift of tongues sounds great :) Go raibh maith agat: Go n-eirí an t-ádh leat very basic Irish :)

neutral

philgoddard: I don't think this makes syntactic sense. You can't say "error is reserved" or "error is subject to change". The first is simply not something we'd say, and the second implies that the contract contains an error.

7 hrs

-> don't forget the force of the comma, feel the context

neutral

AllegroTrans: You can't say "error is reserved" or "error is subject to change" - this just doesn't make sense in English

1 day 1 hr

-> the comma does its job Chris :) think about it and with the comma ok

7 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

We accept no liability for errors in the description and reserve the right to sell or let...

Explanation:
We accept no liability for errors in the description and reserve the right to sell or let the property in the meantime.

Agree with Phil Goddard (“I think the translation may need to be written out in more detail, and be longer than the German.”)

‘Irrtum’ has to be separated off from the other two elements here. No agent sets out to include errors or reserves the right to do so. It is, however, perfectly legitimate to sell or let the property to the first buyer to complete purchase.

In legal texts, accuracy outweighs brevity.

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Lancashireman
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:24
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 92

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