no domínio do acento

English translation: when it comes to the stressing of OR: in the case of (omit the phrase)

15:10 Jan 12, 2015

Portuguese to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Linguistics / theoretical linguistics

Portuguese term or phrase: no domínio do acento

a autora sugere que nos não-verbos as regras de acento operam no nível da palavra de modo que a cada acréscimo de sufixo, a regra volta a se aplicar, não incluindo, no domínio do acento, os sufixos flexionais.

Seems my rephrasing is kind of sub-par... hard to read and generally ugly. Help appreciated!

the author suggests that in non-verbs the stress rules operate at word level such that after every derivational suffix addition the rules are applied again but do not include, within the stress domain, inflectional suffixes.

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English translation:when it comes to the stressing of OR: in the case of (omit the phrase)

Explanation:
The author is already talking about stress, so it could actually be left out (see my brackets). But leaving it in makes the point clearer.

Here's what I would do with the translation:

'In non-verbs, the author proposes that stress rules operate at the word level; in other words, each time a suffix is added, the rule is applied again, except when it comes to [the stressing of] inflectional suffixes.'

OR: except in the case of inflectional suffixes

What the author is saying is that the rule applies recursively, but since 'recursively' wasn't used, you shouldn't use it.

Examples of 'stressing' in suffixes:

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0192800876
Sylvia Chalker, ‎E. S. C. Weiner - 1998 - ‎Reference
... affix to an existing word; contrasted with COMPOUNDING, and also with INFLECTION. ... (ii) **Some suffixes are unstressed but shift the stressing of the stem**.

www.academia.edu/.../Stress_in_Wichi_Mataguayan_and_...
Academia.edu
Nominal inflection includes number and possession, but not gender. ..... The incorporation of the extrametrical suffix **allows the stressing of the recursive** PWord.

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Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
Local time: 02:46

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In the realm of stress

Lara Barnett

4 +2

when it comes to the stressing of OR: in the case of (omit the phrase)

Muriel Vasconcellos

Discussion entries: 9

Mario Freitas

Brazil

The reason why

23:58 Jan 14, 2015

we hear it a lot (in Brazil), Muriel, is that it is a false cognate of "acento". The correct use of "accent" is doubtlessly as a translation for "sotaque". I just used the opportunity to make a little playful comment.

Muriel Vasconcellos

United States

stress vs. accent

23:09 Jan 14, 2015

Note that Rodrigo's definition states: "the *result is called stress accent*, dynamic accent, *or simply stress*.

In other words, 'accent' alone is not sufficient. One strong reason for not using it is that it's ambiguous on many levels.

Anyway, when I studied linguistics if someone tried to use 'accent', they were corrected. I took 30 semester-long courses in linguistics taught by 19 different professors from all parts of the world and never once did I hear it used.

Mario Freitas

Brazil

As a rule,

18:56 Jan 14, 2015

When you have a word derived from Latin (like accent) and one from Anglo-Germanic languages (like stress), in the USA they'll use the latter and in the UK they'll use the former. Sounds funny, but it's true.

Rodrigo Cayres

Brazil

@Mario

18:37 Jan 14, 2015

That may be the case, though I found references from US sources as well:
http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/faculty/gordon/Gordon_Stress...

Britannica offers a clear definition:
http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/2866/accent

I would say that English only has "stress accent" and, therefore, it is known simply as "stress". But I studied unusual languages such as Sanskrit (I lived in India) and Thai (I lived in Thailand), in which other types of accent exist.

Mario Freitas

Brazil

Not sure, but

17:53 Jan 14, 2015

I'd say "accent" would not be used in the USA for that purpose. In the UK, however, it would be ok.

Rodrigo Cayres

Brazil

@zabrowa

16:12 Jan 14, 2015

Really? What do you understand by this sentence then? (from the link I posted below)

Accent is the phonetic prominence given to a particular syllable in a word, or to a particular word within a phrase. When this prominence is produced through greater dynamic force, typically signaled by a combination of amplitude (volume), syllable or vowel length, full articulation of the vowel, and a non-distinctive change in pitch, the result is called stress accent, dynamic accent, or simply stress.

zabrowa

ASKER

16:05 Jan 14, 2015

Accent and stress are completely different animals! It's not a matter of choice but rather of "object" of investigation.

Muriel Vasconcellos

United States

Re: stress

00:00 Jan 14, 2015

I have a Ph.D. in linguistics, and honestlyI've never heard 'accent' used to refer to stress.

Rodrigo Cayres

Brazil

Accent and stress in phonetics

18:11 Jan 13, 2015

Stress is a good choice, but I still would like to mention that accent is also used in this context ("not to be confused with regional accent or accent mark"):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accent_(phonetics)

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In the realm of stress

Explanation:
"In the realm of...."

... a common expression

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Note added at 15 hrs (2015-01-13 06:29:12 GMT)
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"Realm
You can use realm to refer to any area of activity, interest, or thought. "
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-cobuild/the realm of p...

Example sentence(s):

"According to Ringbom, all L3 learners tend to retain an L1-based accent, particularly IN THE REALM OF INTONATION, irrespective of their L3 proficience levels." (pg.32)

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=z1xmEbJA6n8C&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=within+the+realm+of+accents&source=bl&ots=yROEfHXXRl&sig=xueF1sLm66A-lA

Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:46
Native speaker of:

English

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peer agreement (net): +2

when it comes to the stressing of OR: in the case of (omit the phrase)

Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
Local time: 02:46
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