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			<title>Chinese | “龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that &quot;Dragon&quot; should be written as &quot;Loong&quot;) | 看小红书可别着了迷</title>
			<author>ysun</author>
			<category>Chinese</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117362#3117362</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Chinese&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; “龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that &quot;Dragon&quot; should be written as &quot;Loong&quot;)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; ysun&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; 看小红书可别着了迷&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]hj58 wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Loong 这个表述肯定是确定的对外口径了（IAA）&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;龙餐馆也许能帮到高考英语作文？&lt;br /&gt;IAA，小红书，2026年8月17日&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;　　看完电影龙餐馆了，第一个想法就是高考作文里面如果提及龙了，咱们的表述尽量不要写 dragon，写 loong 会更规范一点。[/quote]&lt;br /&gt;考生在写高考英语作文时若不写 dragon 却写 loong，那不但不“更规范”，而且还违反了《中国时政话语翻译基本规范．英文》 。说不定考生的作文会因此而被判不及格。所以我在上面说，“老一代信邪打鸡血是自作自受，但别误了下一代”!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[img] [url removed] [/img]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[b]【案例】我所知道的李阳，和疯狂英语的衰落史[/b]&lt;br /&gt; [url removed] &lt;br /&gt;[img] [url removed] [/img]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[img] [url removed] [/img]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [url removed] #3040604&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]David Shen wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To someone so far &quot;down the dragon hole&quot; &lt;br /&gt;This might be the best advice he could ask for&lt;br /&gt;I thought the discussion was over 18 years ago&lt;br /&gt;And I am not here to talk about dragons any more.&lt;br /&gt;I am chipping in just to assist in saving a soul.&lt;br /&gt;Best advice indeed, if he gets it at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;深陷龙穴自称妙，孜孜不倦像布道。&lt;br /&gt;如此执着为哪般？君不见，大水常冲龙王庙！&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Edited at 2024-05-04 18:23 GMT] [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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			<title>Chinese | “龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that &quot;Dragon&quot; should be written as &quot;Loong&quot;) | 鸡毛当令箭</title>
			<author>ysun</author>
			<category>Chinese</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117359#3117359</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Chinese&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; “龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that &quot;Dragon&quot; should be written as &quot;Loong&quot;)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; ysun&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; 鸡毛当令箭&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]hj58 wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chinese: romanization of the Chinese surname 龍, see Long (3). ...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;这不就是收入了 loong 吗？ [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;[quote]hj58 wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;好好好，对对对，牛牛牛，电影《欢迎来龙餐馆》不是“译”龙为 loong，而是“拼写”为 loong。&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;面子是个好东西啊，千万不能丢。 [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]hj58 wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Loong 这个表述肯定是确定的对外口径了（IAA）&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;该片联合出品方有外交影视传媒有限公司，显然是外交部下属单位，该司之前便和坏猴子合作《用武之地》，这两部影片也都是涉外题材，不过“龙餐馆”制作质量和所呈现出的效果显然是太棒了。[/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;那么，请“不糊涂”的人讲讲清楚，电影《欢迎来龙餐馆》究竟是“译”龙为 loong，还是只不过“收入了 loong”？&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-17 16:09 GMT]</description>
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			<title>French | Traducteur assermenté près d&#039;un tribunal judiciaire vs cour d&#039;appel : quelles différences | interprète-traducteur = CESEDA = Tribunal judiciaire ; traducteur expert judiciaire = Cour d&#039;appel</title>
			<author>Johann V</author>
			<category>French</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117356#3117356</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; French&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Traducteur assermenté près d&#039;un tribunal judiciaire vs cour d&#039;appel : quelles différences&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Johann V&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; interprète-traducteur = CESEDA = Tribunal judiciaire ; traducteur expert judiciaire = Cour d&#039;appel&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Merci pour votre réponse, Philippe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J&#039;ai dû appeler le TJ pour demander, candidement, ce que je suis autorisé et non autorisé à traduire. La personne au téléphone m&#039;a d&#039;abord répondu &quot;Heu, bah si vous avez prêté serment, alors c&#039;est bon&quot;. J&#039;ai dû insister pour qu&#039;ils se renseignent auprès de juristes. Quelques heures après, ils m&#039;ont effectivement confirmé ce que vous dites : je suis inscrit sur la liste CESEDA mais je ne suis pas habilité (en gros) à traduire des documents officiels.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Je souhaiterais candidater à la fonction d&#039;expert traducteur près d&#039;une Cour d&#039;appel, mais il me semble qu&#039;ils aient ajouté (depuis quelques années) une exigence d&#039;expertise judiciaire. Une telle expertise est payante : au minimum 1000 euros pour 2 ou 3 jours de formation, dispensée par des organismes privés. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mais là encore, cette exigence me paraît floue : une Cour d&#039;appel m&#039;a envoyé sa liste de documents à produire pour candidater, cette liste incluant ladite expertise judiciaire, mais une autre CA m&#039;a fourni une autre liste où cette expertise judiciaire ne figurait pas...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Quoi qu&#039;il en soit, merci pour votre éclaircissement :)</description>
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			<title>AI for translators and interpreters | Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates? | Price check</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>AI for translators and interpreters</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117355#3117355</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; AI for translators and interpreters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Price check&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sometimes I test how much I get per hour for a translation.&lt;br /&gt;Because of the discussion, I measured it today.&lt;br /&gt;I noticed I got 55 euro&#039;s/hour, appriximately 63USD/hour.&lt;br /&gt;So, 100 USD/hour to train AI is certainly not utopic.</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | yes, that is true.</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117352#3117352</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; yes, that is true.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Arjan van den Berg wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If they send you Trados packages you can use OmegaT. It is free and can handle Trados packages very well. I would ask the agency in advance though. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But when I asked them, they said that I really needed Trados...</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | very helpful</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117349#3117349</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; very helpful&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Samuel Murray wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Ana Ferreira wrote:&lt;br /&gt;I was offered the opportunity to undertake a test to translate for Xerox, via [a well-known, long-established] agency in the UK. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s not really an &quot;opportunity&quot;.  It&#039;s more of a request.  The fact that you are requested to undertake a test doesn&#039;t mean that you&#039;ve made it to one of the final rounds of candidates. There may be 20-30 people taking the test.  Also, in the past, the agency would have had to spent money paying a reviewer to mark the test, but these days it&#039;s possible to mark the test using AI, so you may even be one of 100 people taking the test.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Nevertheless, I need to buy Trados in advance, which is very expensive [I think that I need the desktop version, the online option is not suitable as it does not open projects], so, my question is: how it is the work flow? [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;All of these are possible:&lt;br /&gt;- They send an SDLXLIFF file, you translate it, you sent back an SDLXLIFF file.&lt;br /&gt;- They send an SDLPPX file, you translate it, you sent back an SDLRPX file.&lt;br /&gt;- They send an SDLPPX file, you translate it, you sent back an SDLXLIFF file.&lt;br /&gt;- They ask you to log in to their Trados server via Trados, you translate the file(s), and click a button.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Considering that I do not use Trados for other apps, and that the pay is really low, I am wondering if I would be even able to cover the costs of Trados. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;No, you will never recoup the costs of Trados.  Trados is only useful for people who use Trados for a lot of clients or for high-paying clients.  The modern version of Trados is a bit of a scam actually, because it&#039;s very expensive and translation rates have gone down tremendously in recent years (more so than in previous years). [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thank you. That was the sharp answer that I neeeded to get!</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | that is the norm</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117346#3117346</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; that is the norm&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Joakim Braun wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Ana Ferreira wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I checked the translation test, and it was not difficult.  [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So everyone will pass, competition will be tough, and there will be strictly lowest-bidder selection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Usually agencies are interested in the deliverable file formats, not the tool used to create them (which is no concern of theirs except maybe in an online workflow).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, given how few test translations result in assignments, I&#039;d never spend a cent on them. [/quote]&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thank you. I think that some tests are rigorous, and they also check your records... This happened to me. I was also asked several times if I work with Trados, which made me feel that I was expected to have it. Yet, because I do not use it for the my main clients, I never bought it, and used OmegaT when requested.... That is why I thought that I could perhaps invest on it...</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | True OmegaT works</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117343#3117343</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; True OmegaT works&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Samuel Murray wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Arjan van den Berg wrote:&lt;br /&gt;If they send you Trados packages you can use OmegaT. It is free and can handle Trados packages very well. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m told that the latest version of OmegaT can treat Trados packages (SDLPPX files) as source files, so yes, OmegaT can open Trados packages.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But OmegaT can&#039;t create a return package (SDLPRX file), so you have to send the SDLXLIFF files back to the client (this is why you have to ask them if it&#039;s okay to do this, because some clients do not want SDLXLIFF files -- they want the return package).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, a Trados package often contains a TM and a glossary.  OmegaT is incapable of reading a Trados TM or a Trados glossary (although there are free tools out there that can convert SDLTM to TXM or SDLTB to CSV, which you would have to do manually each time).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, a Trados package typically contains the original source file as well, and Trados can use it to generate the final translated version of the file in its original format (and some clients ask that you generate it and then do a format check on it), but OmegaT can&#039;t do that either. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, OmegaT can&#039;t connect to a Trados server (but: I have only ever had one single client that required me to do that).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-14 08:58 GMT] [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for your help. Yes, it is true that OmegaT works with Trados, I translated some projects using it. But, they told me that I would need to have Trados as a starting point. You can try it for free for two weeks or but the lighter version [web], but I think that there are limits on what you can do with that version, as well. </description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | Thank you</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117340#3117340</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Thank you&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Joakim Braun wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Ana Ferreira wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I checked the translation test, and it was not difficult.  [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So everyone will pass, competition will be tough, and there will be strictly lowest-bidder selection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Usually agencies are interested in the deliverable file formats, not the tool used to create them (which is no concern of theirs except maybe in an online workflow).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, given how few test translations result in assignments, I&#039;d never spend a cent on them. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that it depends on the client. Some of the tests are difficult, and are revised by specific agencies, for instance, in law. And you need to have a specific profile to work with them, etc. But, in general, I agree with you, they keep an huge pool of translators, and they &#039;fight&#039; to get the job....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I used OmegaT for Trados projects, but they told me that I would need to have it as a starting poing. </description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | thank you</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117338#3117338</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; thank you&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]jyuan_us wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Ana Ferreira wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi there, has anyone translated for Xerox? I was offered the opportunity to undertake a test to translate for Xerox, via an agency in the UK [thebigword]. Nevertheless, I need to buy Trados in advance, which is very expensive [I think that I need the desktop version, the online option is not suitable as it does not open projects], so, my question is: what is the workflow like? Considering that I do not use Trados for other apps, and that the pay is really low, I am wondering if I&#039;ll even be able to cover the cost of Trados. Many thanks &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-14 15:12 GMT] [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please be reminded that the mentioning of the name of a translation agency in the forum is prohibited by the site rule. Also, some agencies may consider the names of their clients a business secret.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-16 04:24 GMT] [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thank you&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | Obrigada</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117337#3117337</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Obrigada&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I meant a light-hearted comment which, apparently, didn’t come across that way and ended up sounding serious. Now, whilst I thought you’d been a bit harsh on our colleague, I wasn’t going to do the same to you. In any case, it helped our colleague correct two typos. On the other hand, you made me smile by saying you were expecting a more mature response. As far as I’m concerned, it’s quite a feat to be as old as I am and still be capable of rather immature answers… :wink: [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry for the late reply. But, in reality I have been dealing with a lot of technical issues with Proz, and cannot reply to many comments, edit my posts, etc. I do not usually reply to this type of thing, but since everyone started to comment, I felt that I had to say something. </description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | Good day to you as well</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117334#3117334</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Good day to you as well&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]William Bowley wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having just come across this post, while I have no experience translating for Xerox, is this test into English? I ask given that your profile mentions some prominent UK clients, and stating that you translate into English is unusual as, generally-speaking, translators work into their native language(s).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your post and profile contain numerous basic errors, such as &quot;how it is the work flow?&quot;, and &quot;I am wondering if I would be even able&quot;, while your profile states &quot;efficient award wining translator/writer&quot;, &quot;studiied&quot;, &quot;MA in Writing for Perofrmance&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You also claim to specialise in seemingly every area...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for the highlight. I, hereby, confirm that I am not a boot, and that my credits are real. I understand your curiosity regarding my profile, but for someone as intelligent as you pretend to be, you should have realized that, in this particular project, there could be no translations into English, since Xerox is an American company. Besides, you must have noticed that I have a background in literature, and, in fact, I confess to having a controversial love for all &#039;broken&#039; language writers, such as Beckett, Joyce, or Saramago. And in this sense, language ‘is’ not words.</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | It seems to happen a lot</title>
			<author>Ana Ferreira</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117331#3117331</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ana Ferreira&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; It seems to happen a lot&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Daryo wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]William Bowley wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Maria Teresa Borges de Almeida wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently, your eye for detail is not that sharp. There’s a typo in studiied, but MA in Writing for Performance is correct (the typo is yours)… :???:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P.S. These things happen to the best of us... [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now there&#039;s always a chance that you&#039;re intentionally being obtuse, but in case you&#039;re being serious, you might have seen:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Profile last updated: 17:43&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some 5 hours after my post!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Part of me was expecting your type of response, though maybe hoping for a more mature one. Then again, there&#039;s always the possibility that you&#039;re being serious, which raises all sorts of other questions! [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some 5 hours after my post! =&gt; That shows that some people are quick to learn from their mistakes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given how &#039;unusual&#039; that one is becoming, I would see it more like a plus ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Feel free to add me to your &#039;obtuse&#039; list. Duck+water ...?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to point of this thread:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An &lt;i&gt;only potential&lt;/i&gt; new client requesting from you to FIRST &lt;i&gt;unconditionally&lt;/i&gt; invest in some rather expensive tools is not the kind of clients I would ever want.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Smack too much of this old tactic to trap a lot of suppliers in a pool as big as possible, as to always have someone available at silly prices, without any concerns about how much suppliers / contractors ... will be earning individually.&lt;br /&gt; [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a different background [cultural field], so I am not used to this strategy. But it seems to happen a lot, especially with big companies that work across continents or that get a lot of contracts; this type of work could never be sold in &#039;bulk&#039;. But, some countries are already goind back with the digital euphoria [France, Sweden], understanding that real books, handwriting, etc are an essencial part of the learning process. The same goes for translating. AI is handy in the supermarket. But, it does not work in some fields such as law or literature or science.</description>
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			<title>Chinese | “龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that &quot;Dragon&quot; should be written as &quot;Loong&quot;) | 糊涂</title>
			<author>hj58</author>
			<category>Chinese</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117328#3117328</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Chinese&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; “龙”的英文应该翻译成 Loong - 转发 (A Chinese Teacher Suggests that &quot;Dragon&quot; should be written as &quot;Loong&quot;)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; hj58&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; 糊涂&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Loong&lt;br /&gt;1881: 0.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chinese: romanization of the Chinese surname 龍, see Long (3). ...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;这不就是收入了 loong 吗？</description>
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			<title>AI for translators and interpreters | Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates? | I asked 100 USD/hour for AI-training</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>AI for translators and interpreters</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117322#3117322</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; AI for translators and interpreters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; I asked 100 USD/hour for AI-training&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I just got an offer for an AI training, and I asked 100 USD/hour.&lt;br /&gt;Of course, they won&#039;t accept it, but it&#039;s high time we are aware of what we do if we accept to train their AI, and that we put our prices accordingly.&lt;br /&gt;As a matter of fact, even 100 USD/hour is not enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moreover, considering the telephone calls I get these days in perfect Dutch which try to scam or phish, it&#039;s also import we understand what the &quot;business&quot; model of some of those AI &quot;companies&quot; entails.</description>
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			<title>AI for translators and interpreters | Weird Outcomes | SynthID-Text</title>
			<author>Li-Hsiang Hsu</author>
			<category>AI for translators and interpreters</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117320#3117320</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; AI for translators and interpreters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Weird Outcomes&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Li-Hsiang Hsu&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; SynthID-Text&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Li-Hsiang Hsu wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This watermarking has no digital existence. It is a pure statistical pattern which works by biasing word generation:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AI generates text one token at a time by sampling from a probability distribution over the vocabulary. Watermarking modifies that sampling process by combining a secret key with the previous tokens generated. This sampling then partitions the words to be generated into green (preferred) and red (discouraged) lists. The model is slightly biased to favor green-list words. The bias is very small, and the green/red partition is still random and changes with the context, such that the overall output remains close to normal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The watermark has no physical or digital-object existence. There are no extra characters, no hidden Unicode, no metadata fields, no special bits hidden in the file. What exists is only a chosen statistical pattern of the token/word sequence. The only evidence of the watermark is that those words &quot;happen&quot; to match the secret rule more often than pure random results.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you change enough words (or their order), the statistical match disappears and the watermark is gone. That means the only way to remove the watermark is by rather aggressive reediting.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-14 15:11 GMT] [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;d like to correct what I said previously.&lt;br /&gt;Anthropic&#039;s watermarking is not the classic greed/red-list approach. It uses actually an opensource technique called “SynthID” from Google DeepMind and implanted in some Google products and Gemini models since 2023-2024. So for those who use Google/Gemini products, their output could have already carried Gemini fingerprint without them knowing it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Contrairy to the classical dual red/green list, SynthID is a more sophisticated scoring mechanism that uses a g-function to pseudorandom sample tokens. It is more finegrained but the principle is basically the same.</description>
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			<title>AI for translators and interpreters | Weird Outcomes | Entropy and translation generation</title>
			<author>Li-Hsiang Hsu</author>
			<category>AI for translators and interpreters</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117319#3117319</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; AI for translators and interpreters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Weird Outcomes&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Li-Hsiang Hsu&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Entropy and translation generation&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]James McVay wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Li-Hsiang Hsu wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The watermark has no physical or digital-object existence. There are no extra characters, no hidden Unicode, no metadata fields, no special bits hidden in the file. What exists is only a chosen statistical pattern of the token/word sequence. The only evidence of the watermark is that those words &quot;happen&quot; to match the secret rule more often than pure random results.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-14 15:11 GMT] [/quote]&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder if this technique will work with an AI translation. AIs have much less leeway in selecting words and phrases when translating. I’ve tested numerous translations done by ChatGPT and Claude with AI detectors like GPTzero and Grammarly. They’ve always said the text was 100% written by a human. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m sure the AI detectors will be modified to look for the telltale pattern once the technique is deployed, so I’ll run another test. It’ll be interesting to see the result.  [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The watermarking is not perfect. There will certainly be false positives and false negatives, just as with AI detection tools. However, the techniques involved in both approaches are very different. Right now, most AI detection tools are supervised deep-learning or machine learning classifiers. They’re trained on labelled data, basically human-written vs. AI-generated texts, to spot the patterns “out there”, but Anthropic’s watermarking is processed inside the model with a predefined secret rule to modulate token generation. It’s more like laying a digital fingerprint on the model’s output. Translation generated by it will certainly bear that fingerprint, so that Anthropic’s tool can detect it. At least “theoretically,” watermark detection should be more reliable than those neural network recognition by an AI detection tool. People tried watermarking on their model say it works actually rather well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But with translation, things could become a little bit trickier, because translation is a more “constrained” text generation than free writing. Higher level of constrain reduces what they call “entropy” (freedom of choice) of the model. Lower entropy tends to reduce either watermarking strength or text generation quality. There is indeed an unavoidable trade-off between detectability and output quality, esp. with more constrained text generation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-17 12:29 GMT]</description>
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			<title>AI for translators and interpreters | Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates? | we agree</title>
			<author>Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL</author>
			<category>AI for translators and interpreters</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117317#3117317</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; AI for translators and interpreters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; we agree&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;but everytime I tried to ask for even a normal translation rate, it was rejected, claiming this was a post-editing job. I don&#039;t have a solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Robbie Jia wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand your point. But my concern is that low-priced MTPE is destroying the translation ecosystem. It creates an unsustainable supply chain and, in the long run, can also erode translators’ professional skills, judgment, and mindset. [/quote]</description>
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			<title>Site forums | This is getting seriously frustrating. | bugs on many sites</title>
			<author>Zea_Mays</author>
			<category>Site forums</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117313#3117313</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Site forums&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; This is getting seriously frustrating.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Zea_Mays&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; bugs on many sites&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh, it is working! (just luck)&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve seen similar issues on various sites, like parts of pages not being loaded, and was wondering if Cloudflare and other security tools could be the cause.</description>
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			<title>Site forums | This is getting seriously frustrating.</title>
			<author>expressisverbis</author>
			<category>Site forums</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117308#3117308</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Site forums&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; This is getting seriously frustrating.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; expressisverbis&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;ProZ is becoming increasingly unusable.&lt;br /&gt;These days, being able to post or even write a reply seems to depend on sheer luck. You never know whether the page will work properly or whether your post will actually go through.&lt;br /&gt;I managed to post something just to test it, and it worked. But I’ve now tried the same thing with a few other threads, and the page just goes blank, without giving me the chance to write or reply.&lt;br /&gt;This is getting seriously frustrating.</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | European Portuguese translation test</title>
			<author>expressisverbis</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117307#3117307</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; expressisverbis&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; European Portuguese translation test&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;According to the job posting, they are looking for European Portuguese translators, so I believe the test is expected to be handled from English to this Portuguese variant.&lt;br /&gt;And since the job ad was publicly posted, I think the real issue is not mentioning the name of the translation agency, but rather the name of its client.</description>
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			<title>Getting established | translating for Xerox | This is not about Xerox, but TheBigWord</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Getting established</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117304#3117304</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Getting established&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; translating for Xerox&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; This is not about Xerox, but TheBigWord&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Ana Ferreira wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi there, has anyone translated for Xerox? I was offered the opportunity to undertake a test to translate for Xerox, via an agency in the UK [thebigword]. Nevertheless, I need to buy Trados in advance, which is very expensive [I think that I need the desktop version, the online option is not suitable as it does not open projects], so, my question is: what is the workflow like? Considering that I do not use Trados for other apps, and that the pay is really low, I am wondering if I&#039;ll even be able to cover the cost of Trados. Many thanks &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[Edited at 2026-08-14 15:12 GMT] [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You&#039;re not translation for Xerox, you&#039;re translating for TheBigWord, and they don&#039;t have a good reputation.</description>
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			<title>Translation Project / Vendor Management | Outsourcing policy by  place of residence | Not new</title>
			<author>Peter Motte</author>
			<category>Translation Project / Vendor Management</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117301#3117301</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 10:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Translation Project / Vendor Management&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Outsourcing policy by  place of residence&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Peter Motte&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Not new&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Nikolaus Weimann wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can someone explain me why outsourcers recently started to require that freelance translators are resident in a particular countriy to handle their jobs?  In some cases they even require that the translator lives in a country other than one having the target language of the translation as national language such as a translator for German living in the USA?&lt;br /&gt;    What is the idea behind that recruitment policy? [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s nothing new.&lt;br /&gt;Usually the reason is that they want the translator to be au courant of habits and law in the taregt country-language.&lt;br /&gt;It can also have something to do with translation, eg for legalisations.&lt;br /&gt;The example you site might be the resu!lt of Trump policy.</description>
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			<title>AI for translators and interpreters | Copyright | No copyright</title>
			<author>Joakim Braun</author>
			<category>AI for translators and interpreters</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117296#3117296</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 08:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; AI for translators and interpreters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Copyright&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Joakim Braun&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; No copyright&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Purely AI work can&#039;t be copyrighted in the U.S.&lt;br /&gt;If it&#039;s a mix of AI and human work, it&#039;s for the courts to decide case by case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; [url removed] </description>
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			<title>Site forums | It&#039;s now impossible to write a post in the existing threads - again | I tried</title>
			<author>Angie Garbarino</author>
			<category>Site forums</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117292#3117292</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 08:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Site forums&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; It&#039;s now impossible to write a post in the existing threads - again&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Angie Garbarino&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; I tried&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]ibz wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Great picture (and metaphore), Maria Teresa!&lt;br /&gt;The light has been switched off again ... [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;Ok now?</description>
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			<title>Site forums | It&#039;s now impossible to write a post in the existing threads - again</title>
			<author>ibz</author>
			<category>Site forums</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117290#3117290</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Site forums&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; It&#039;s now impossible to write a post in the existing threads - again&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; ibz&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Great picture (and metaphore), Maria Teresa!&lt;br /&gt;The light has been switched off again ...</description>
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			<title>AI for translators and interpreters | Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates? | I understand your point. But the low-priced MTPE is destroying the translation ecosystem...</title>
			<author>Robbie Jia</author>
			<category>AI for translators and interpreters</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117289#3117289</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; AI for translators and interpreters&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Should MTPE Rates Be 3× Higher Than Full Human Translation Rates?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Robbie Jia&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; I understand your point. But the low-priced MTPE is destroying the translation ecosystem...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;[quote]Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;but do they get it? I&#039;m not sure why, as a client, I would pay 3 times the MTPE rate. I would just ask for a translation, then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Peter Motte wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote]Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;. [/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some people do, you know, asking 3x times the Full Human Price for MTPE. It&#039;s not entirely utopic.&lt;br /&gt; [/quote] [/quote]&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I understand your point. But my concern is that low-priced MTPE is destroying the translation ecosystem. It creates an unsustainable supply chain and, in the long run, can also erode translators’ professional skills, judgment, and mindset.</description>
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			<title>Supervertaler | Meet &quot;Supervertaler&quot; – AI-powered CAT tool | Outstanding Feat for a Solo Developer Slash ProZ Member</title>
			<author>Ricardo Aries</author>
			<category>Supervertaler</category>
			<link>http://kor.proz.com/post/3117286#3117286</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<description>&lt;b&gt;Forum:&lt;/b&gt; Supervertaler&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Topic:&lt;/b&gt; Meet &quot;Supervertaler&quot; – AI-powered CAT tool&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Poster:&lt;/b&gt; Ricardo Aries&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Post title:&lt;/b&gt; Outstanding Feat for a Solo Developer Slash ProZ Member&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This man really is a true genius! It’s impressive that it took less than 5 years for even a ProZ member to develop software with such capabilities—truly remarkable.</description>
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