Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
tout-venant
English translation:
general population
Added to glossary by
Eric Bullington
Jul 1, 2007 16:08
16 yrs ago
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tout-venant
French to English
Medical
Medical (general)
published article on drug hypersensitivity
From the first paragraph of a section entitled "Epidemiology":
"Après la rhinite et l'asthme, les réactions présumées liées à une hypersensibilité (HS) aux médicaments et substances biologiques représentent une cause fréquente de consultation en allergologie. Selon les données de la littérature, portant sur des patients tout-venant ou hospitalisés, la prévalence de ces réactions varie entre 3 % et 15 %."
I'm not sure if the meaning here is "untreated" or "unaffected" (or something altogether different). Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Eric
"Après la rhinite et l'asthme, les réactions présumées liées à une hypersensibilité (HS) aux médicaments et substances biologiques représentent une cause fréquente de consultation en allergologie. Selon les données de la littérature, portant sur des patients tout-venant ou hospitalisés, la prévalence de ces réactions varie entre 3 % et 15 %."
I'm not sure if the meaning here is "untreated" or "unaffected" (or something altogether different). Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Eric
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +4 | all or patients not selected according to predetermined criteria |
Debbie Tacium Ladry
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| 5 +2 | random |
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| 4 | untreated |
liz askew
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Proposed translations
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Debbie Tacium Ladry
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Medical writing, clinical + research exp
Native in: English
Works in: French to English
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Selected
all or patients not selected according to predetermined criteria
http://dictionnaire.mediadico.com/traduction/dictionnaire.as...
it's a way of saying the patients were not selected for any particular characteristics
"all and sundry"
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Note added at 3 days17 hrs (2007-07-05 09:52:04 GMT)
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I would tend not to think so, because in epidemiology "random" implies a deliberate method of obtaining a set of patients with an equal probability of hypersensitivity reaction (in this case) - whereas "tout venant", "all" or "unselected" would imply a lack of random-ness (In my epidemiology text, randomisation is defined as a procedure for assigning treatments to patients by chance)...
However, random and randomisation are not the same word, so it may just be a question of interpretation or nuance.
it's a way of saying the patients were not selected for any particular characteristics
"all and sundry"
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Note added at 3 days17 hrs (2007-07-05 09:52:04 GMT)
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I would tend not to think so, because in epidemiology "random" implies a deliberate method of obtaining a set of patients with an equal probability of hypersensitivity reaction (in this case) - whereas "tout venant", "all" or "unselected" would imply a lack of random-ness (In my epidemiology text, randomisation is defined as a procedure for assigning treatments to patients by chance)...
However, random and randomisation are not the same word, so it may just be a question of interpretation or nuance.
Note from asker:
| In this context, would you consider "not selected according to predetermined criteria" as being equal to "random"? |
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Comment: "Thanks Debbie, you got me on the right track. In the end, I decided that in this context the phrase "patients tout-venants" simply means "patients in general population". In fact, in most of the examples I found on the web, this is what the phrases refers to. Thanks for getting me on track."
16 mins
untreated
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:XkmuOf8lccsJ:forum.word...
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:XkmuOf8lccsJ:forum.word...
tout venants de plateau - plateau material, or deposits (franču ...tout venant is run-of-mine (ie, unsorted, untreated) material if you're actually mining it, but here it looks more like a description of the geology. ...
lav.proz.com/kudoz/466817 - 33k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages
ApoStill n° 17- [ Translate this page ]... sur une cohorte de 23 patients « tout-venant » d'un cabinet d'ostéopathie. ... groups: a treated group (n=35) and a reference group untreated (n=35). ...
www.osteopathie-france.net/Formation/apostill17.htm - 42k - Cached - Similar pages
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:XkmuOf8lccsJ:forum.word...
tout venants de plateau - plateau material, or deposits (franču ...tout venant is run-of-mine (ie, unsorted, untreated) material if you're actually mining it, but here it looks more like a description of the geology. ...
lav.proz.com/kudoz/466817 - 33k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages
ApoStill n° 17- [ Translate this page ]... sur une cohorte de 23 patients « tout-venant » d'un cabinet d'ostéopathie. ... groups: a treated group (n=35) and a reference group untreated (n=35). ...
www.osteopathie-france.net/Formation/apostill17.htm - 42k - Cached - Similar pages
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your help. Your first example is unrelated to the medical setting. Your second example is tricky. In fact, I think that here "tout-venants" refers to something along the lines of "unsorted" or "unscreened". It's used a little differently in my example. Thanks for contributing to a solution. |
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random
Means 'random' Eric , in the sense of unsorted patients
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your help, Daniel. Random was my first guess, but after exhaustive research, I found that it means something more along the lines of "patients in the general population". I appreciate your help. |
| One additional remark: if you look at Liz's second example, I think you're on track in this example when you say "unsorted". But from an epidemiological perspective, it's important to note that there's a subtle but important difference between the concepts of random and unsorted. |
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