Such a strength as makes his guest
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| 3 +1 | Une telle force, comme garde son hôte + information |
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| 3 | une telle force qui fait de lui son invité |
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| 3 | Une force telle qu'elle accueille |
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| such a strength as makes his guest une telle force qui fait de lui son invité Explanation: après maintes triturations de l'esprit pour le mettre dans le bon sens, est-ce que cela convient ? |
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| such a strength as makes his guest Une force telle qu'elle accueille Explanation: Quelle est la rime précédente? -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 3 days1 hr (2007-08-20 15:58:06 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Je pense qu 'il y a une intention avec such... as (such as) : je le lis comme suit : a [powerfull] strength such as a strength which makes his guest |
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peer agreement (net): +1| such a strength as makes his guest Une telle force, comme garde son hôte + information Explanation: To be a good host is to make a guest feel welcome/at home/comfortable/as if they belong. Note how this role of the host refers back to the idea of God as Host. Note that your version does not have the commas within each line that most of the versions on the Internet have. It changes the meaning and rhythm of the piece. As a point in fact, this is a poem about Jesus. Since he is supposed to be God Incarnate, it is a small distinction but it does affect the understanding of the poem. The beauty of this hymn certainly explains why it is still popular nearly four hundred years after it was written. Since this is a hymn, I tried to stay very close the number of syllables per line as the original. Unfortunately, it will take someone better than I to achieve that goal and maintain the rhymes (Lucky you! ;-) :-) I considered "vigueur" for strength because it could rhyme with "longueur" but it adds to the number of syllables and I just don't like it as well. Viens, mon Jour, ma Fête, ma Force ; Une tel Jour, comme montre un fête ; Une telle Fête, comme [re]prend le long ; Une telle Force, comme garde son hôte. References: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one comes unto the Father, but by me.' (Jn.14.1ff) http://iamtheway.ws/ Come, my Light, my Feast, my Strength : Such a Light, as shows a feast : Such a Feast, as mends in length : Such a Strength, as makes his guest. http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/herbert/thecall.htm George Herbert (April 3, 1593 – March 1, 1633) was a Welsh poet, orator and a priest… All of Herbert's surviving poems are religious, and some have been used as hymns. They are characterised by directness of expression and some **conceits** which can appear quaint. Many of the poems have intricate rhyme schemes, and variations of lines within stanzas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert Conceit – in literary terms, a conceit[1] is an extended metaphor with a complex logic that governs an entire poem or poetic passage. By juxtaposing, usurping and manipulating images and ideas in surprising ways, a conceit invites the reader into a more sophisticated understanding of an object of comparison… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceit Conceit links to Métaphore filée La métaphore filée est constituée d'une suite de métaphores sur le même thème. La première métaphore en engendre d'autres, construites à partir du même comparant, et développant un réseau lexical dans la suite du texte. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Métaphore_filée Only a Host Can Truly Make a Guest Feel at Home http://www.wda.gov.sg/PressRoom/Press_Release/2006/20060621 ... It is not just the responsibility of the host to make a guest feel comfortable. http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/06/10/stories/2004061001270300.... Since they want to make a guest feel welcomed, service staff members may… http://www.academypacific.edu/HotelServiceStaff.php A host bends over backwards to make a guest comfortable. Indians, for example, have a saying: A guest is similar to god. http://www.dailymailnews.com/200608/26/dmarticlepage.html On the other hand, I agree that a host's first priority is to make a guest comfortable. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06... -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 3 days7 hrs (2007-08-20 21:23:06 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- It's a simile because it uses 'like' or 'as' to make its comparison (unlike a metaphore, which doesn't use 'like' or 'as'). Also, this brings back the point about the punctuation. Without the comma, it seems to me that the translation should be along the lines of 'as that which' or 'like the one that.' With the comma, it can simple be 'like.' ANALOGIE (COMPARAISON/MÉTAPHORE) : La comparaison et la métaphore sont des figures de style fondées sur l'analogie (avec moins de rigueur, on dit aussi des "images"). Elles établissent une ressemblance entre un premier élément (appelé "comparé" ou "thème") et un second ("comparant" ou "phore"), ressemblance fondée sur une ou plusieurs qualités communes (que les sémanticiens appellent "sèmes", unités de signification communes au comparant et au comparé). La différence entre les deux figures consiste en ceci que dans la "comparaison", la relation d'analogie est explicitement formulée à travers un terme comparatif présent dans l'énoncé. Ce terme comparatif peut être : comme, tel, même, pareil, semblable, ainsi que, mieux que, plus que, sembler, ressembler, simuler, etc. Dans la métaphore, au contraire, le rapport d'analogie reste sous-entendu. La métaphore ou la comparaison sont appelées "personnifications" lorsque le comparé est un inanimé et que le comparant relève de l'humain. La métaphore filée est une figure en plusieurs points : elle développe l'analogie en mettant en relation plusieurs réalités appartenant au domaine de sens du comparant avec des éléments correspondants du comparé. Il existe une autre figure d'analogie : l'allégorie. Voir à ce terme dans notre glossaire. http://abardel.free.fr/glossaire_stylistique/analogie.htm -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 3 days7 hrs (2007-08-20 21:24:37 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- simply not simple -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 14 days (2007-08-31 20:17:37 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- simile [L, comparison, fr. neut. of similis] : a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses) – compare METAPHORE (Webster’s) -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 15 days (2007-09-01 16:12:38 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- Stéphanie, here is how I’ve been reading it: Come, my way, my truth, my life: This particular kind of way [like the one] who gives us life This particular kind of truth [like the one] that ends all strife This particular kind of life [like the one] that kills death Come, my Light, my Feast, my Strength: This particular kind of light [like the one] that shows a feast This particular kind of feast [like the one] that mends in length This particular kind of strength [like the one] that makes his guest Come, my Joy, my Love, my Heart: This particular kind of love [like the one] that no one can move This particular kind of love [like the one] that no one can part This particular kind of heart [like the one] that joys in love. -------------------------------------------------- Note added at 15 days (2007-09-01 19:08:39 GMT) -------------------------------------------------- As I posted earlier, George Herbert was well known for writing conceits (métaphores filées). I’ve always been taught that the primary difference between a metaphor and a simile is that a simile uses ‘like’ or ‘as.’ So if he had not used ‘as,’ I would have said that the phrase was a metaphor. In the following examples, cheeks are not really roses and balls are not really lightning. And it is the structure of the phrase that determines whether it is a simile or a metaphor. Cheeks like roses – simile Roses are her cheeks – metaphor - [Rosy is the west, rosy is the south;] - [Roses are her cheeks, and a rose her mouth.] - [ —Tennyson: Maud, xvii. (1855).] - [http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/174/1128/14961/1.html ] Such a rose as brightens cheeks – in the style of the conceit A ball fast as lightning – simile A lightning fast ball or the ball, lightning fast.– metaphor - [He rolled the ball, lightning fast all along the ground.] - [http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/getwriting/A2156005 ] Such a ball as goes lightning – in the style of the conceit |
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