Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
préjudice subi à hauteur des honoraires
English translation:
for the loss sustained/incurred, up to and including fees that may have been paid...
French term
United Kingdom
21 yrs as a Translator/Editor from FR>EN
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: French to English
préjudice subi à hauteur des honoraires
| 3 +2 | for the loss sustained up to and including the fees... |
MatthewLaSon
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| 3 | for the loss incurred, up to the limit of the fees... |
Tony M
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May 7, 2009 17:12: Lucia Leszinsky changed "Term asked" from "pr�judice subi � hauteur des honoraires " to "préjudice subi à hauteur des honoraires" , "Term Context" from "Le mandataire sera indemnis� du pr�judice subi � hauteur des honoraires qu\'il aurait d� percevoir, savoir la somme de ... " to "Le mandataire sera indemnisé du préjudice subi à hauteur des honoraires qu\'il aurait dû percevoir, à savoir la somme de... "
May 7, 2009 20:46: MatthewLaSon Created KOG entry
May 8, 2009 00:29: MatthewLaSon changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/35643">MatthewLaSon's</a> old entry - "préjudice subi à hauteur des honoraires"" to ""for the loss sustained up to and including the fees...""
May 8, 2009 01:02: MatthewLaSon changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/35643">MatthewLaSon's</a> old entry - "préjudice subi à hauteur des honoraires"" to ""for the loss sustained/incurred, up to and including fees...""
Aug 7, 2009 18:08: MatthewLaSon changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/35643">MatthewLaSon's</a> old entry - "préjudice subi à hauteur des honoraires"" to ""for the loss sustained/incurred, up to and including the amount of the fees...""
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Proposed translations
for the loss sustained up to and including the fees...
That's how I read "à hauteur des honoraires"
I hope this helps.
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Yep, indemnified for loss of professional fee...
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Thanks, Nikki!
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Anthony Lines (X)
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Thanks, Anthony!
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Tony M
: Actually, that leads to a slightly inaccurate translation... / Maybe it can; but I don't think it does here... / Even Nikki says simply 'for' above...
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I think that "up to and including" means "up to the limit/not to exceed". "For" could be ok, but legalese prefers talk of "limits", not just plain "fors", albeit possible.
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writeaway
: for the loss incurred. The French is typical flowery overkill, not to be translated literally. and fwiw, I am free to post a ref if I wish. there is no rule about having to post an answer. nothing rude about that.
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Who are you talking to? Someone who doesn't know anything about French legalese? You can post 100 references if you like. Why do I care? "Loss sustained" is fine (matter of opinion) and so is "up to and including" (means the same thing as "up to the
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for the loss incurred, up to the limit of the fees...
It's important to note here that 'à hauteur de...' here is limitative — i.e. the amount of any compensation cannot exceed the amount of the fees the 'mandataire' might have received. So 'up to and including' would really be rather misleading...
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Note added at 7 heures (2009-05-07 23:31:38 GMT) Post-grading
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At best, one might say 'up to but not exceeding'
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Note added at 7 heures (2009-05-07 23:36:33 GMT) Post-grading
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As Writeaway says, there is really no need to go further than 'for the fees...' — to go any further risks over- (or mis-) translation.
Reference comments
ref
à la hauteur can just mean "for". (see dictionaries).
subi is usually incurred or suffered. not sustained.
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MatthewLaSon
: I'm afraid that "à hauteur" can be translated by "up to and including" here. I believe that "sustained" is just as acceptable as "incurred" or "suffered." Propose an answer if think you can translate it better, or more "correctly."
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for the loss incurred. I have no doubts about it.
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Tony M
: Yes, of course! This is not 'à concurrence de...', nor even 'jusqu'à'. In any case, how is it possible to 'disagree' with a reference comment, for goodness' sake? The KudoZ to which you refer is totally pertinent, for 'subi' at least...
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