Jul 15, 2009 14:04
14 yrs ago
German term

ertragsoptimiertes Portfolio

German to English Bus/Financial Investment / Securities Customer profile
Another term from a banking document listing various options for customer investments. Is *Optimised Returns Portfolio* a good EN equivalent?
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HTH
Change log

Jul 24, 2009 10:59: Steffen Walter changed "Term asked" from "Ertragsoptimierte Portfolio" to "ertragsoptimiertes Portfolio" , "Field (specific)" from "Finance (general)" to "Investment / Securities"

Discussion

wfarkas (X) Jul 18, 2009:
"Optimised Returns Portfolio" In my opinion, you are probably OK with "Optimised Returns Portfolio", if the portfolio is structured towards achieving the best possible current market return (i. e. the portfolio's return essentially mirrors the market) as opposed to a portfolio the objective of which is maximizing absolute return (long-term stabilized return, which does not move in lockstep with the market).
Jo Bennett (asker) Jul 18, 2009:
Back to my original idea then?? So maybe I should sgo back to "Optimised Returns Portfolio" then?
wfarkas (X) Jul 17, 2009:
In this context (medium-to-high risk portfolio):
Ertrag = Kapitalertrag/Rendite (= return/yield)
Return/yield =(capital gains + investment income), expressed as a percentage of the capital invested.
Net pre-tax return = Return MINUS (expenses incurred to earn investment income + capital losses)
Income (regardless of whether interest/dividend/rental/royalties/etc.) is only a component of (total) return.
Ted Wozniak Jul 15, 2009:
income versus "yield" An "income" investment is generally in bonds and other interest-bearing securities or equities with a strong history of regular dividends (historically, utilities and some blue chips). The goal is to generate current interest or dividend income as opposed to capital gains through share price appreciation (which are just paper gains until the securities are sold). So whatever your final choice of wording, e.g. maximized, optimized, whatever, the idea of "income" is still central.
Jo Bennett (asker) Jul 15, 2009:
Ertragsoptimierte Portfolio 18:36 It's a "medium to high risk" option; maybe that helps.
wfarkas (X) Jul 15, 2009:
Ertragsoptimierte Portfolio It woud be helpful to see the composition of a model portfolio.

Proposed translations

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German term (edited): Ertragsoptimierte Portfolio
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return-maximized portfolio

An essentially risk-immunized portfolio geared towards maximizing return.
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks for everyone's thoughts - in the end wfarkas's comments encouraged me to stick with Optimised Returns Portfolio."
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maximized income portfolio

would be my choice if I had to use this as a name for the account but I don't like it much as it describes the investment strategy/goal. Maximum/maximal income portfolio are other possibilities, but again, they don't sound very good as names.
Note from asker:
Thanks for all your hard work on this Ted, especially for explaining why *income* is better than *returns* etc! I think I will go for *optimised income portfolio*. (I understand optimised as having a slightly different meaning from maximised). Either way you have definitely earned the points.
Peer comment(s):

agree Corinna Müller-Strehler (X) : yes, or optimised / optimized income portfolio.
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High-yield portfolio

you'd say in the US
Peer comment(s):

disagree Corinna Müller-Strehler (X) : A portfolio optimized (or maximized) for return (or yield) does not need to be a high-yield portfolio.
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German term (edited): Ertragsoptimierte Portfolio

Income-maximising (maximizing) portfolio

Just a slight variation on Ted's suggestion. I think the main purpose of the portfolio is to maximise (maximize) income and so it may be appropriate therefore to describe it as income-maximising (maximizing) rather than as maximized income. Not a lot in it, though.
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German term (edited): Ertragsoptimierte Portfolio

optimized yield portfolio

alternative
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Reference comments

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Reference:

HTH

One portfolio is equally weighted, whereas the other portfolio is optimized for high risk-adjusted return, that is, highest Sharpe ratio.
http://tinyurl.com/ld4s34
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