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Dec 5, 2009 00:59
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Russian term

Процессию из четырех первых звезд замыкают остальные три, следующие за ними.

Russian to English Science Astronomy & Space Constellations, Pleiades
How should I translate "Процессию" and "замыкают" in the following phrase?

Neither "precession" nor "procession" make sense to me in this context, which is dealing with the celestial behavior in the Pleaides as seen in the spring in Central Asia.

What am I missing here?
Proposed translations (English)
4 The procession of the first four stars is closed by the remaining four following them
3 +1 The progression of the first four... ends with the remaining three, which follow...
4 The train of the first four stars is completed with the other three following stars
4 the three remaining stars bringing up the tail of the procession formed by the first four (ones)
3 other tree... are closing the file in the procession of four close the file

Discussion

Judith Hehir Dec 5, 2009:
Thanks, James. All of that is helpful.
James McVay Dec 5, 2009:
Sometimes a picture can help. See a photo and map of the Pleiades here: http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/clusters/pleiades.html. I see four stars on the right, with the remaining three sort of trailing off to the left. That approximates the Russian description, which plays off the mythology given in the text.
Chris Lovelace (asker) Dec 5, 2009:
Here's a larger piece of the context, if it helps Все казахские мифы о звездах, Солнце и Лупе, как бы они ни были фантастичны, своеобразно отражают скотоводческую жизнь народа. Вот, например, упоминавшийся уже миф о Большой Медведице: (Ursa Major, CL)
«Семеро разбойников (the Pleiades, CL) грабили всех, кто встречался им на пути. Собрался народ и решил наказать их. Но они убежали от преследования на небо, превратившись в звезды. Процессию из четырех первых звезд замыкают остальные три, следующие за ними. А те две светлые звезды, что расположены неподалеку (ото уже звезды Малой Медведицы. — С. К.), — это братья-батыры. Недалеко стоящие еще две звезды — кони батыров — Ак-бозат (Белый копь) и Кокбозат (Сизый конь). Они привязаны к Железному колу (Темiрказык — так называется Полярная звезда. — С. К.), вон виден даже их аркан. Кони пасутся вокруг Железного кола. Семь воров всю ночь охотятся за ними и хотят во что бы то ни стало украсть их. Но зоркие сторожа не спускают с них глаз. Когда наступает рассвет, Семь воров скрываются» 26.

I don't think a "gravity-induced change in trajectory, period, etc." works here. Rather, this is some sort of occlusion or occultation, I think. But again, I lack the tchnical term for this.
James McVay Dec 5, 2009:
Definitely not "precession" In astronomy, precession refers to a gravity-induced slow but continuous change in an astronomical body's rotational axis or orbital path.
Judith Hehir Dec 5, 2009:
Interesting. That search also produces "precession," which, apparently, Chris already discovered. Hmmm. I wouldn't know the difference between the two (pre- and pro-cession, that is). Any astronomers out there who can help?
James McVay Dec 5, 2009:
Actually, I think you can use "procession." Google "procession of stars" +astronomy and see what you think.
Dr Lofthouse Dec 5, 2009:
Приводим текст о "семь сестер" (7 Sisters) -. Стеропа, Меропа, Электра, Майя, Тайгете, Целено и Alcyone?

Proposed translations

1 day 20 hrs
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The procession of the first four stars is closed by the remaining four following them

That is, there are now seven stars in procession.
Examples of "close the procession":
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A Dictionary of polite literature; or, Fabulous history of the ... - Google Books Result
1804 - Juvenile Nonfiction - 17 pages
to close the procession, an old man appeared on an ass, offering wine to the fatigued youth, who had returned from a prosperous chase, and invited them to ...
books.google.com/books?id=yQfAtoHuW0IC...
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Queen Victoria Wedding
... the maids of honor, the women of the bed chamber, the gold stick, and six gentlemen of arms, and as many yeomen of the guard to close the procession. ...
www.victorianamagazine.com/royalty/queenvictoria.htm - Cached - Similar
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Full text of "Funeral ceremony to be observed at the burial of ...
... the brothers shall re-form in procession after them in reversed order, and close the procession into and within the place of interment. ...
www.archive.org/.../funeralceremonyt00inderich_djvu.txt

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Note added at 1 day20 hrs (2009-12-06 21:13:53 GMT)
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ooops! ....remaining three not four..

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Note added at 1 day20 hrs (2009-12-06 21:23:18 GMT)
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procession of stars is a common expression in astronomy, e.g.,
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The seven sisters of the Pleiades: stories from around the world - Google Books Result
by Munya Andrews - 2005 - Social Science - 368 pages
'As the Earth rotates, a steady procession of stars seems to move across the sky, with some stars passing right overhead.'140 Therefore, 'If you change your ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1876756454...
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Hidden Dimensions of Astronomy
"The description of this march or procession of stars gives us simple astronomical truths. Though scholars have hitherto refused to believe that the ...
www.blavatsky.net/magazine/.../HiddenPartsOfAstronomy.html
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks! The links and examples helped a lot. It was hard to pick between your answer and Judith's, which I see as very similar to each other."
36 mins

other tree... are closing the file in the procession of four close the file

three of them bring up the rear of four

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Note added at 38 mins (2009-12-05 01:38:12 GMT)
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Sorry, I have not removed the unnecessary, also "three".
Peer comment(s):
disagree The Misha : No offense, but it sounds like totally ungrammatical gibberish
1 hr
You better check in your dictionary -"ungrammatical gibberish "-that is about talking not writing, you are not the one to judge it anyway
agree Jack slep : I totally agree with Alexandra's diagree! I hope you have another job...
1 day 21 hrs
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1 hr

The progression of the first four... ends with the remaining three, which follow...

Not sure. But I found "progression" in the following:
http://www.telescope.org/nuffield_21_sci/constellations/cons...
Peer comment(s):
agree The Misha : Sure, that's what it says. Maybe it's a lineup rather than progression?
4 mins
Thanks, Misha. I'm not sure. I don't know astonomy at all. I thought "series, sequence" at first, but I think it might be about actual movement.
neutral Jack slep : Procession of stars; I know astronomy. I'm Capricorn. But seriously "procession of stars" is the right term. See my answer
1 day 20 hrs
Thanks, Jack. That's what I was looking for—an astronomer!
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6 hrs

The train of the first four stars is completed with the other three following stars

Or-the line of the first four stars terminates with the other three succeed stars
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1 day 9 hrs

the three remaining stars bringing up the tail of the procession formed by the first four (ones)

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