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Glossary entry

Polish term or phrase:

pokonywać

English translation:

negotiate

Added to glossary by literary
Jun 23, 2012 10:24
11 yrs ago
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Polish term

pokonywać

Polish to English Tech/Engineering Tourism & Travel
przeszkody w pokonywaniu szlaku wodnego (np. śluzy)
Proposed translations (English)
4 +7 negotiate
4 pass over
4 -1 To overcome obstacles
4 -1 face challenges
References
Cf., inter alia:

Discussion

literary (asker) Jun 26, 2012:
niestety, nieszczęśliwie się złożyło, że pewna dwuznaczność wkradła się w pytanie
miało być tak:

termin: pokonywać
cytat: przeszkody w pokonywaniu szlaku wodnego (np. śluzy)
Mariusz Kuklinski Jun 24, 2012:
Filtered askers Great idea, Dariusz. I've never thought I'd make use of this function but I'll follow you. Now that you mentioned this, filtering rude responders out is possible on ProZ too.
literary (asker) Jun 24, 2012:
pytam o "pokonywanie szlaku wodnego"
petrolhead Jun 24, 2012:
@literary Już na samym początku sugerowałem żeby spróbować z "waterway(s)":

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/waterway?...

np.:
"(to) negotiate obstacles while (during) sailing along (steaming) the waterway(s)"
petrolhead Jun 24, 2012:
@literary Proszę się zdecydować o co Pani(i) pyta. Pytanie wyraźnie brzmi:

POKONYWAĆ przeszkody w POKONYWANIU szlaku wodnego (np. śluzy)

Przykładów przytoczyliśmy aż nadto, więc nie rozumiem pytania "Czy to dowód?"
Caryl Swift Jun 23, 2012:
And... "The river below the Missiger dam is a steady flowing stream with no rapids or gorges to negotiate. (http://tinyurl.com/7v7q83c)

"Negotiate the rapids at Lanier Falls and the Fish Traps on the portion of the Cape Fear Canoe Trail which runs through the park." (http://tinyurl.com/7xkghmc)

"MV Reef Endeavour’s small size means she can negotiate remote reefs, islands and shallow bays where bigger ships just cannot go." (http://tinyurl.com/7v6s8yd)

etcetera, etcetera, ectetera, etcetera
Caryl Swift Jun 23, 2012:
One can, of course... also negotiate obstacles:

"Fearful Soldiers should be encouraged to negotiate the easier obstacles before attempting the higher more difficult ones. Some of the higher, more difficult obstacles may be negotiated as a group effort, with stronger Soldiers assisting those unable to negotiate the obstacles by themselves. Gradually, as their confidence and negotiation skills improve, the weaker Soldiers will be able to successfully negotiate all obstacles individually. PRT leaders and AIs should be available to assist Soldiers in proper obstacle negotiation throughout the course." (http://tinyurl.com/8x9vn3k)
literary (asker) Jun 23, 2012:
@Allda
"modern ships, which were too big to negotiate the inland waterway, rendered the canal defunct."
ten przykład wreszcie jest dobry
Darius Saczuk Jun 23, 2012:
Na poparcie "negotiate" wystarczy otworzyć zwykły studencki słownik Longmana, na przykład Longman Advanced American Dictionary.:
2) negotiate - to succeed in getting past or over a difficult place on a path, road etc.: Drivers have to negotiate high mountain roads with narrow bends.
Darius Saczuk Jun 23, 2012:
Ostatnio jestem bardzo zniesmaczony zachowaniem niektórych tłumaczy na Kudoz. Nie dość, że często zamieszczają puste merytorycznie komentarze, to jeszcze perfidnie zamieszczają swoje propozycje kopiując, nawet dosłownie, pomysły innych zamieszczone wcześniej przy okazji tego samego pytania. Do tego dochodzą osoby, które pomimo uzyskania odpowiedzi na zadane pytania, zamykają je podając powód "Other." Na czarnej liście "filtered askers" mam chyba teraz 15 czy 16 osób.
Allda Jun 23, 2012:
inny przykład In 1846, the railway came and this, coupled with the introduction of modern ships, which were too big to negotiate the inland waterway, rendered the canal defunct.
http://www.ulverstoncouncil.org.uk/education_1.php

Nawiasem mówiąc, komentarze typu "ale miło, że chciałeś pomóc" rażą protekcjonalnym i autorytatywnym tonem, zwłaszcza jeżeli ich autor sam karci innych za "niegrzeczne" uwagi
petrolhead Jun 23, 2012:
Waterway or water trail negotiation @ Polangmar

WATER TRAIL NEGOTIATION
"Follow the Basswood River to Crooked Lake, turn south at Friday Bay, and negotiate a series of small lakes back to the put-in point.
http://www.trails.com/tcatalog_trail.aspx?trailid=CGM025-012

NEGOTIATING WATERWAYS
"Negotiating waterways is also an important skill taught during training. Determining river width, current speed and drift downstream are all vital parts of crossing a river. Crossings are taught using both rafts and ropes. Making several kinds of rafts is also covered, ..."
http://www.ehow.com/about_6502449_marine-combat-water-surviv...

I wiele innych przykładów
petrolhead Jun 23, 2012:
Obstacle negotiation I jeszcze:

PRZESZKODY WODNE:
"Slow speed is best for negotiating water. This minimizes the possibility of flooding the engine.."

http://www.definiteanswers.com/q/How-should-I-negotiate-wate...

JEŹDZIECTWO:
"Horse negotiating uphill bank.."
"Horse and rider negotiating a brush fence.."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_jumping_obstacles

Czy to już wystarczy?
petrolhead Jun 23, 2012:
@ Dorota Zegarowska i LilianBoland Nie wiem co jeszcze powinienem znaleźć, żeby Panie uwierzyły, że "negotiate" jak najbardziej odnosi się TAKŻE do FIZYCZNEGO pokonywania przeszkód. Może tym razem o przeszkodach lądowych tu:

"While soft soil is relative to vehicle ground pressure, there is little that can be done to negotiate very rocky terrain or cliffs except by using specially trained light infantry troops. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstacles_to_troop_movement

"Interaction Analysis and Online Tip-Over Avoidance for a Reconfigurable Tracked Mobile Modular Manipulator Negotiating Slopes"

"http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=526300...
petrolhead Jun 23, 2012:
waterway(s) Prosze spróbować z "waterway(s)":
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/waterway?...

np.:
"(to) negotiate obstacles while (during) sailing along (steaming) the waterway(s)"

Proposed translations

+7
5 mins
Selected

negotiate

jedna z możłiwości

"High currents can create unsafe conditions, since vessels without enough engine power can be severely affected by water current velocities. Some vessels have difficulty ***negotiating*** tight turns in high currents and narrow channels."
http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/on/trentsevern/plan/plan8/plan8c...



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Note added at 7 mins (2012-06-23 10:31:46 GMT)
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lub " to go through", ale "negotiate jest w porządku, także tu:

http://suite101.com/article/going-through-a-canal-lock-a1513...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-06-23 14:14:11 GMT)
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"Niegotiate" jest jak najbardziej poprawne zarówno dla pokonywania przeszkód, jak i całego szlaku. Jest na tyle dobre, że jednym słowem można opowiedziec o całym szlaku wraz z przeszkodami, które można na nim napotkać. See "Discussion"
Note from asker:
"negotiate an obstacle" gugluje dobrze; ale cały szlak (route)?
"negotiate the river" - czy to dowód? To znaczy tylko: przejść na drugą stronę rzeki.
trzeba jednak uważać, bo w pobliżu mogą być jakieś "negocjacje"
Peer comment(s):
agree Allda : good option; to negotiate = to move through, around, or over in a satisfactory manner
59 mins
Thank you. Much appreciated :-)
agree Anna Lycett (X) : Negotiate is OK.
1 hr
Thank you!
disagree Dorota Zegarowska : Lilian is ma rację. Słowo „negotiate” absolutnie tu nie pasuje. Tu chodzi bowiem o FIZYCZNE pokonywanie przeszkód. Ale miło, że chciałaś pomóc :) Webster http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/negotiate http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/negotiat
2 hrs
Myślę, że Lilian nie do końca ma rację i myśle, że mimo wszystko pomogłEm - proszę spojrzeć na "Discussion"
agree Polangmar : OK: http://tinyurl.com/744b68m
3 hrs
Thank you. Much appreciated :-)
agree Darius Saczuk : Please, ignore her comments.
3 hrs
Thank you. Much appreciated :-)
agree Caryl Swift : As per the references and discussion entries I've contributed to the 'discussion'...
7 hrs
Thank you. Much appreciated :-)
agree clairee : very nice language
22 hrs
agree Mariusz Kuklinski : Lilian i Dorota nie mają racji, ponieważ opisana sytuacja dotyczy nie pokonywania porohów i zagrożenia dla życia ale czynności rutynowej na szlaku wodnym i jedynym odpowiednim w tym kontekście słowem jest właśnie "negotiate".
1 day 2 hrs
agree Rafal Korycinski
1 day 6 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "OK"
1 hr

pass over

proposal
Peer comment(s):
agree LilianNekipelov : I agree. It could be used, but even better to pass through.
4 hrs
disagree Mariusz Kuklinski : passed over for promotion?
1 day 1 hr
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-1
1 hr

To overcome obstacles

There might be something better but this is close.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2012-06-23 15:57:40 GMT)
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This may not be the best option, but it is definitely not negotiate in this context.

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Note added at 5 hrs (2012-06-23 16:00:04 GMT)
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To overcome the obstacles on the waterway.
Peer comment(s):
neutral petrolhead : Kindly see Discussion entries.
2 mins
agree Dorota Zegarowska : Petrol, to nie było zbyt grzeczne.
2 hrs
disagree Polangmar : W pytaniu chodzi o pokonywanie szlaku wodnego, a nie przeszkód.
2 hrs
disagree Mariusz Kuklinski : Wrong register
1 day 1 hr
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-1
20 hrs

face challenges

Propozycja

Jezeli szlak wodny to jest "water route" przeszkody w pokonywaniu szlaku wodnego mozna ujac jako face challenges on water routes. (bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Route). Rowniez obstacles in negotiating water routes moze byc ale nie wiem do jakiego stopnia to wyrazenie jest znane. Zalezy czy jest to literacki tekst
Example sentence:

Face challenges on water routes

Peer comment(s):
disagree Mariusz Kuklinski : You face a challenge canoeing down the rapids rather than going through a lock
5 hrs
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Reference comments

7 hrs
Reference:

Cf., inter alia:

"Helpful and professional staff are around 24 hours a day to help you refuel, negotiate the lock, advise on good cruising destinations or assist with any problems."
(http://www.premiermarinas.com/pages/port_solent_marina_hamps...

"The scenic beauty of Niagara Falls and its tourist attractions, Butterfly Conservatory, and Casino Niagara, are within a few miles of Niagara-on-the-Lake. Also within easy reach is the Welland Canal where visitors can watch ocean freighters negotiate the lock system between Lake Ontario and Lake Erie."
(http://tinyurl.com/7w8rrg9)

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Note added at 7 hrs (2012-06-23 18:21:21 GMT)
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"The captain was expecting us and gave his permission for us to go up to the bridge prior to our departure; this gave us the opportunity to observe the ship negotiate the lock from the berth out into the river Humber."
(http://tinyurl.com/7z7yytv)

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Note added at 8 hrs (2012-06-23 18:26:28 GMT)
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"przeszkody w pokonywaniu szlaku wodnego (np. śluzy)"

However, I contributed this to the general discussion as regards the use of 'negotiate'.

Farewell
Note from asker:
w pytaniu nie chodzi o "pokonywanie śluz"
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree petrolhead
1 day 10 hrs
Thank you.
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