Nov 10, 2014 17:45
9 yrs ago
Spanish term

para que haya disciplina

Spanish to English Medical Medical: Pharmaceuticals EC letters
This appears in a list of information required from an Ethics Committee in their letter of approval:

"Listado de miembros que participaron en la evaluacion del documento para que haya disciplina".

Discussion

Karen Dinicola Nov 11, 2014:
Yes, in that context "disciplina" must mean "profession." However, I think the similarities in the texts are misleading. I don't see how "para que haya/so that there is" fits with "profession"
Hollie Lanyon (asker) Nov 11, 2014:
In another similar text I have found a similar list of requirements for EC approval, and this includes "Listado de miembros que participaron en la evaluacion de todos los documentos y su disciplina", leading me to believe that disciplina in this context is asking about their profession/discipline/specialty/working area... any thoughts on how this would work with "para que haya disciplina"?
TravellingTrans Nov 11, 2014:
Example sentences with ""para que haya disciplina" I do understand the case-specific variance of words, but just to give a sampling of uses of the exact phrase, here are several:

En conclusión para que haya disciplina en una institución educativa (que en este caso pasaría a ser el aula de un curso)
para que haya disciplina y orden en el aula
Así empezamos porque, para que haya disciplina, tiene que haber motivación. La disciplina baja costos y gastos por ser una empresa más eficiente.
¿Qué se puede hacer para que haya disciplina en el proceso de aprendizaje moderno?
Para que haya disciplina es necesario que haya posibilidad de formular nuevas proposiciones.
Disciplina fiscal: para que haya disciplina se tiene que poder castigar a los que incumplan las normas.
Para que haya disciplina es preciso que la libertad no sólo tenga el derecho de decir “no”, sino que lo ejerza frente a lo que se le propone como la verdad
Para que haya disciplina y respeto
Señaló que es necesario brindar a los mandos las herramientas necesarias para que haya disciplina en sus filas
Jennifer Levey Nov 10, 2014:
@phil "legal compliance"? - Post it as an answer (conf. 3 if you insist...) and be shot down like a man!
philgoddard Nov 10, 2014:
Another possible meaning is "legal compliance". I agree - I don't think any of these answers merits more than a 3.
Muriel Vasconcellos Nov 10, 2014:
Confidence inflation?? Nobody seems sure, but everyone is posting a "4" level of confidence. The "5" used to be a rare bird; now I'm seeing it everywhere. Have we lost humility? What has happened to IMHO?
Hollie Lanyon (asker) Nov 10, 2014:
Context Thanks everyone for your input. There is not a lot more context I can give. This is just a standard letter to an ethics committee requesting approval for an updated document. There is a list at the end of the letter of requirements in the EC approval letter. One is to include the protocol number, one is to include the EC address, and one is the bullet point cited requesting the list of participating members. It seems out of place to me but I am not sure.
TravellingTrans Nov 10, 2014:
@phil, not making a big deal but... In order to have discipline, what else must we have that goes hand-in-hand?
In order to have discipline, we have to have goals.
In order to have discipline there will be consequences for bad decisions.
O'Hara said, “some of the wagon-masters gathered together and decided that in order to have discipline, there must be rules.
Motivation is needed in order to have discipline, and discipline is everything.
You need procedures in order to have discipline and you need discipline in order to have procedures.
In order to have discipline in the entire film industry, the industry organized itself at different levels.

Proposed translations

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to ensure impartiality

In Hollie's context I read 'disciplina' in the sense of "transparency, fairness and impartiality" - and all that can be ensured (to some extent) by identifying the evaluators, thus enabling people to check they have no 'axe to grind'.

Condensing all that into one 'key' word, I'd use 'impartiality'.
Peer comment(s):

agree Rachel Fell : I prefer "to ensure" and "impartility" - I wonder if "transparency" might also work
1 hr
Thanks Rachel. I feel it's a 'toss-up' between impartiality and transparency; that said, transparency is only a means towards verifying impartiality, so...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you Robin! "
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so that there is accountability

Thus, the importance of identifying those who are evaluating the document.
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in order to have discipline

accountability seems to be more responsabilidad, though I don't think it's out of the question as an option

but disciplina both in definition and context seems to be more or less discipline

also disciplina & responsabilidad do not show up mutually as synonyms of each other, so I'm not sure they can be interchanged
Peer comment(s):

neutral Joseph Tein : This is the most direct translation of the words, but I don't see what it would mean in this context.
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I'm not sure either frankly, but surrounding text might help. If a disciplinary action were already in effect and they simply needed the names of those involved it would make sense, I see the sense of accountability, but not its relation to "disciplina"
neutral philgoddard : Doesn't sound English or make sense in the context.
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the context itself implies to me there is a greater surrounding context, and "disciplina" just doesn't really mean accountability, I see the sense which I indicate in my answer, but the two words don't really go together, see what I wrote to Joseph above
neutral Jennifer Levey : I wouldn't have thought 'discipline' per se would be a problem in an 'Ethics Committee'.
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neutral Muriel Vasconcellos : .
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order, frugality & faithfulness

The above were considered to be essential character traits in th Roman army and thus, they worshipped the deity disciplina. In our time discipline means order, sterling character and faithfulness to traditional principles. In this context, transparency, order and a Stirling behavior are essential to an Ethics Committee and that pretty much sums up discipline.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2014-11-10 21:50:37 GMT)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciplina
Peer comment(s):

neutral Jennifer Levey : "frugality" in the pharmaceuticals bizness? // I'm sure we all know what 'frugality' means, even without wiki's help. My point is that it doesn't sit well in any context concerning the multi-billion-dollar pharmaceuticals bizness.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frugality
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so that there is transparency

This seems to fit the context.

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Note added at 23 hrs (2014-11-11 17:40:37 GMT)
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Another possibility might be: 'to ensure that standards are met'. Just a thought.
Peer comment(s):

agree Jennifer Levey : Yes it does. You really ought to have selected confidence '4' ;)
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Thanks, Robin!
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