Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
gentilidad
English translation:
gentilitas [in italics] (clan)
Added to glossary by
Justin Peterson
Oct 10, 2016 21:53
7 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Spain
gentilidad
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
History
Ancient History
ANCIENT HISTORY
The institution known as hospice or hospitality extended the social and legal protection corresponding to a "gentilidad" to people outside of it. In this way the alien or guest received the protection of the social group he enters, thereby coming to be considered a "gentil" or member of that new "gentilidad," and possessing the same rights as its other members
The institution known as hospice or hospitality extended the social and legal protection corresponding to a "gentilidad" to people outside of it. In this way the alien or guest received the protection of the social group he enters, thereby coming to be considered a "gentil" or member of that new "gentilidad," and possessing the same rights as its other members
Proposed translations
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| 4 +2 | gentilitas [in italics] (clan) |
Charles Davis
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| 4 +1 | Gentilidad |
Mario Solis Burgos
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| 4 | "heathenism" "pagan world" |
JONAY QUINTERO
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| 3 | ethnic group |
Stephen D. Moore
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Proposed translations
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gentilitas [in italics] (clan)
Since this is about ancient history, "gentilidad" must be a straight hispanicisation of Latin gentilitas. In eccleciastical Latin it means heathenism/paganism or heathens/pagans. But this is clearly using the word in its classical Latin sense, namely a group of people (in Roman society) belonging to the same gens, that is, related (albeit distantly) by blood, marriage or adoption.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentilitas
Well, the nearest we have to this, I think, is the idea of a clan. In fact it's really just the same idea. However, I would keep the Latin term and add "clan" in parentheses, to keep the cultural specificity. Similarly I would use the Latin word gentilis for "gentil" and add "clan member" in parentheses.
On the equivalence to clan:
https://books.google.es/books?id=I8WDxjd37FgC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA...
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By the way, I don't think "hospicio" means hospice here. I'm sure it's being used as another calque of a Latin term: hospitium or hospicium. Although this could, by extension, mean lodging, its basic meaning, and the one involved here, was hospitable reception, entertainment, the obligations of a host, and by extension the bond of friendship.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hospitium#Latin
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gentilitas
Well, the nearest we have to this, I think, is the idea of a clan. In fact it's really just the same idea. However, I would keep the Latin term and add "clan" in parentheses, to keep the cultural specificity. Similarly I would use the Latin word gentilis for "gentil" and add "clan member" in parentheses.
On the equivalence to clan:
https://books.google.es/books?id=I8WDxjd37FgC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA...
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Note added at 47 mins (2016-10-10 22:40:46 GMT)
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By the way, I don't think "hospicio" means hospice here. I'm sure it's being used as another calque of a Latin term: hospitium or hospicium. Although this could, by extension, mean lodging, its basic meaning, and the one involved here, was hospitable reception, entertainment, the obligations of a host, and by extension the bond of friendship.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hospitium#Latin
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Carter
: Well explained Charles, and I agree with your note about "hospicio" too. Well worth looking into any words that look as if they might be slightly out of place, such as that one.
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Thanks a lot, Robert!
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philgoddard
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Thanks, Phil!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Yes, I think this is the idea"
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JONAY QUINTERO
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Spain
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Native in: Spanish 
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, French to English, and 1 more.
"heathenism" "pagan world"
I admit I didn't know anything about the definition that you provide, I've made a short research about that, but couldn't find anything as such.
So, I assume "gentilidad" still means the same I was taught at church or sunday school, that is, all those peoples that profess a politheist religion. Or anyone not belonging to one of the three "religions of the book"(christians, jews and muslims).
In plain english, heathens or pagans-
So, I assume "gentilidad" still means the same I was taught at church or sunday school, that is, all those peoples that profess a politheist religion. Or anyone not belonging to one of the three "religions of the book"(christians, jews and muslims).
In plain english, heathens or pagans-
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Mario Solis Burgos
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Spain
Translator, Interpreter, Copywriter
Native in: Spanish 
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Gentilidad
"Principio de personalidad del Derecho: uno hace uso y aplica el Derecho de la familia a la que pertenece. Para las relaciones con individuos que pertenecen a diferente familia y por tanto, diferente Derecho, habrá que aplicar mecanismos superadores.
DIVERSIDAD CULTURAL Y JURíDICA DE LOS PUEBLOS PRERROMANOS: SUS MANIFESTACIONES
Los pueblos prerromanos son aquellos que existían en la Península Ibérica cuando llegan a ella los primeros colonizadores romanos. Aquellos pueblos no constituían una unidad política ni jurídica, sino que tenían un concepto del Derecho muy diferente.
En los pueblos prerromanos hispánicos se distinguían tres grupos en el orden social:
* Gens (tribu): comunidad política, formada por varias gentilidades. Es la entidad suprafamiliar superior.
* Gentilitates (parentelas): orden familiar superior unido por un mismo origen familiar.
* Familia
El principio de personalidad del Derecho y los pactos de hospitalidad y de clientela
* PACTO DE LA HOSPITALIDAD (Hospitalitas):
Es un tipo de acuerdo por el que una gentilidad considera a todos o a parte de los miembros de otra gentilidad como si pertenecieran a ella misma, en un plano de igualdad. El derecho de una gens se abre a los miembros e integrantes de otra gens y a sus herederos.
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Historia del Derecho español. Fuentes del derecho y sociedad política. PABLO, Apuntes de Historia del Derecho Español. Universidad Nacional de Educación a Distancia - UNED
http://www.docsity.com/es/historia-del-derecho-espanol-fuent...
DIVERSIDAD CULTURAL Y JURíDICA DE LOS PUEBLOS PRERROMANOS: SUS MANIFESTACIONES
Los pueblos prerromanos son aquellos que existían en la Península Ibérica cuando llegan a ella los primeros colonizadores romanos. Aquellos pueblos no constituían una unidad política ni jurídica, sino que tenían un concepto del Derecho muy diferente.
En los pueblos prerromanos hispánicos se distinguían tres grupos en el orden social:
* Gens (tribu): comunidad política, formada por varias gentilidades. Es la entidad suprafamiliar superior.
* Gentilitates (parentelas): orden familiar superior unido por un mismo origen familiar.
* Familia
El principio de personalidad del Derecho y los pactos de hospitalidad y de clientela
* PACTO DE LA HOSPITALIDAD (Hospitalitas):
Es un tipo de acuerdo por el que una gentilidad considera a todos o a parte de los miembros de otra gentilidad como si pertenecieran a ella misma, en un plano de igualdad. El derecho de una gens se abre a los miembros e integrantes de otra gens y a sus herederos.
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Note added at 13 hrs (2016-10-11 11:41:35 GMT)
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Historia del Derecho español. Fuentes del derecho y sociedad política. PABLO, Apuntes de Historia del Derecho Español. Universidad Nacional de Educación a Distancia - UNED
http://www.docsity.com/es/historia-del-derecho-espanol-fuent...
Peer comment(s):
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Jennifer Levey
: I'll upgrade this to an "agrí" if you provide links (or other citable references) to your sources. // Yes. And the label used to identify folk in a 'gentilidad' is a 'gentilicio' (as in madrileños, santiaguinos, etc.).
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Will do my best Robin. In a few hours. Thanks...
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Stephen D. Moore
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
Getting the meaning across.
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish
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ethnic group
"Gentle" in English originally meant "of noble birth" and had nothing to do with character or manners. I suspect the it comes from the same roots as the Spanish "gentilidad."
From that and the context, I believe this instance of "gentilidad" refers to ethnicity/ethnic background, not teligion. "Ethnic group" may sound a bit cumbersome, but it's the best English term I can think of. (I think "clan" may be too restricted.)
From that and the context, I believe this instance of "gentilidad" refers to ethnicity/ethnic background, not teligion. "Ethnic group" may sound a bit cumbersome, but it's the best English term I can think of. (I think "clan" may be too restricted.)
Discussion
http://www.docsity.com/es/historia-del-derecho-espanol-fuent...
En otras ocasiones el pacto tiene lugar entre dos grupos gentilicios, con lo que se produce la equiparación y reciprocidad jurídica de todos sus miembros