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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

tierra de chocolate

English translation:

chocolate soil / chocolate dirt

Added to glossary by Charles Davis
    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2017-07-24 14:54:08 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)
Jul 20, 2017 22:13
6 yrs ago
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Spanish term

Tierra de chocolate

Spanish to English Other Food & Drink Menu
This is included in the dessert list. I was thinking of something along the lines of 'chocolate shavings' but since it's the main part of the dessert I'm not sure that would work.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +11 chocolate soil
4 +1 Chocoland
4 Chocolat crumble
4 Chocolate earth
3 Chocolate realm delight
References
a couple more refs./pics.
Change log

Jul 25, 2017 06:03: Charles Davis Created KOG entry

Discussion

Muriel Vasconcellos Jul 21, 2017:
Chocolate dirt My friend the chef says that 'chocolate dirt' is used here more often and that 'chocolate soil' would likely be British. Either way, I pass.
Helen Jane Hadley (asker) Jul 21, 2017:
I have taken some time to think before adding a final comment to this discussion.

Firstly, Robert, l would like to clarify that it was never my intention to offend anyone or appear ungrateful. If you read through the comments you will see that several participants voiced their concerns regarding the turn the conversation had taken at one point - it was this to which I was referring earlier and thought it best to suspend comments.

I would like to reiterate that my closing of the question was in no way a reflection of my disregard for the effort people had made in offering suggestions, but was instead a reaction to the misuse of the forum.

The Kudoz forum offers us all chance to help each other out, and I personally find it disheartening that many use it as an opportunity to make presumptions about individuals they know very little, if anything, about.

Having personally thanked Charles for his efforts, I have now left it up to the group to decide who should be awarded maximum points. Thanks again to everyone who offered suggestions.
Robert Forstag Jul 21, 2017:
Agree with writeaway and Phil Helen:
Charles provided you with a suggestion backed by very solid references. He took the time to do the research to back up his answer. He also did not write anything in his various contributions to this discussion that could be reasonably deemed "unprofessional."

In short, it seems perverse for you to have closed the question without awarding him points. It is also manifestly false that you were "forced" to close the question without grading.
writeaway Jul 21, 2017:
Closed because of unprofessional comments? Does that mean you are going to ignore all the references provided by Charles and you aren't going to use his answer for the same reason? Where was Charles unprofessional?
Helen Jane Hadley (asker) Jul 21, 2017:
I would like to make clear that I am extremely grateful to everyone who has participated in the discussion. However, I was forced to close questions on account of the unprofessional comments made here.
philgoddard Jul 21, 2017:
Helen Jane Hadley It's rude to close questions without saying thank you.
Cecilia Gowar Jul 21, 2017:
@Neil Personally I do not find Blumenthal's style of cuisine appetising (I can't afford it anyway so that is fine!!). But his "chocolate soil" seems to be quite popular with Spanish readers.
neilmac Jul 21, 2017:
Crumble is usually apple or rhubarb (or other fruits). However, An important criterion for me when translating menus is that it should sound appetising and tempting. And I must admit that if I saw chocolate crumble on a menu, I probably order it to see what it was like, whereas chocolate soil doesn't have the same effect. Then again, I might just order it for its oddness.
neilmac Jul 21, 2017:
It's the "moist" effect Just as some people can't bear the sight or sound of certain words, "moist" being a well-known case in point, I find the same with "soil". I just can't bring myself to find it appetising.
Charles Davis Jul 21, 2017:
Crumble vs soil A crumble, which is a very familiar dessert in the UK, is made from flour, butter and sugar. You put the flour and sugar in a bowl then rub the flour and butter together to make a breadcrumb texture, in this case mixed with chocolate. Then bake it.
Recipes for "crumble" in Spanish show that it means this, and that's been my experience in Spain.
A chocolate soil is made by starting to make a caramel with sugar and water, stopping just as it starts to change colour, adding the chocolate and stirring vigorously. No flour and no butter.
Noni Gilbert Riley Jul 21, 2017:
Moderators PLEASE I believe intervention is called for.
David Hollywood Jul 21, 2017:
@ Robert thanks Robert but as you and I both know, a lot more goes on than simply answering questions
Muriel Vasconcellos Jul 21, 2017:
Removed my comment under Charles' answer I was interested that Veroblei, who appears to be familiar with the dish in Spanish, said "Tierra de chocolate is also called crumble de chocolate in Spanish."
I'm not questioning Charles' answer anymore, but I do think using the term 'chocolate soil' on a menu would depend on the type of restaurant.
Robert Forstag Jul 21, 2017:
@David As far as I am concerned, the point of participating in Kudoz is to provide correct translations of the posted terms. Charles seems to have done just that here, and he has supported his suggestion with what look to be solid references.

Not sure what your problem is.
David Hollywood Jul 21, 2017:
to and fro
David Hollywood Jul 21, 2017:
we can all wriggle too and fro but the main idea is to get something that the nibbler will go for
David Hollywood Jul 21, 2017:
I don't care what they say about "soil" but I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole if it appeared on a menu
Charles Davis Jul 21, 2017:
@Phil Possibly this? I didn't see it because I don't normally look at German-English:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/german_to_english/food_drink/63325...

We also had this English question on chocolate "soil" a couple of years ago (it isn't simply crumbled chocolate, by the way):
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/English/poetry_literature/5939851-...

And very recently Carol Gullidge, who does a lot of culinary translation, commented on "chocolate "soil" being all the rage on menus these days":
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/cooking_culinar...
David Hollywood Jul 21, 2017:
manouvering
David Hollywood Jul 21, 2017:
I don't care how much mental maoevering is involved here ... just pick the idea that gets you most
philgoddard Jul 21, 2017:
We had this recently, possibly in another language It was chocolate soil, because it was a dessert featuring flowers growing in earth.
william hill Jul 20, 2017:
Suggestions Chocolate world / all things chocolate / chocolate medley

Proposed translations

+11
1 hr
Selected

chocolate soil

Seriously. All the examples of tierra de chocolate I can find are literally chocolate designed to look like earth, and are clearly derived from Heston Blumenthal's chocolate soil. Or maybe Heston got it from Ferran Adrià; I'm not sure.

Here's Mr Bastard's version, for example:
http://codigofoodie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/BARCELONA...

Here's a description of the one at El Bulli in 2007:

"30) Tierra.
Este postre me encantó. Se trata de un divertidísimo plato de chocolates liofilizados que imita a la perfección un puñado de tierra (graciosísimo el gusano de chocolate) El plato, además de simpático, estaba francamente bueno (y eso que yo no soy muy aficionado a los postres de chocolate)"
https://ricardtena.wordpress.com/2007/09/
And here's a picture of it:
https://ricardtena.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/30.jpg

Blumenthal's version went with his much-imitated flowerpot tiramisù:
"watching a sugar syrup crystallize into a chocolate soil has got to be one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen."
https://lennardy.com/tag/heston/
Picture:
https://wishihadafoodpun.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tiramis...

Look up "chocolate soil"; there are loads of examples. Here's another:
http://twinsandablog.com.au/chocolate-soil/

There's also olive soil. It's a foodie thing.

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It's a pleasure, Helen, and thanks very much for your consideration. I'm sorry your question gave rise to some unfortunate comments, and I quite understand it was unpleasant for you. I can be a bit impatient and dogmatic at times and this can come across as arrogance, so I take my share of the blame. Anyway, water under the bridge.
Note from asker:
Thanks for all your hard work on this Charles - very much appreciated!
Peer comment(s):
agree Peter Shortall : I had this once (in a Greek restaurant, of all places)
2 mins
Thanks, Peter! I haven't, but I would certainly be game.
neutral David Hollywood : don't think "soil" would get me to order this Charles np problem Charles but I think "soil" is unappetizing no matter how cute the food buffs get ... surely it's about getting the punters to munch ahead regardless, so we have to play with their tastebuds
4 mins
Perhaps it's intended for a different sort of customer, David :) But seriously, "soil" is very widespread in the 3-Michelin-star world. // Each to his own. How about Adrià's chocolate worm? Best restaurant in the world at the time.
agree Robert Forstag : Hard to argue with the facts. // Out of my league as well, I am afraid. 😊
1 hr
Thanks, Robert. I do not frequent the kind of establishment in which this sort of thing is served (I can't afford it). They serve porcini meringue with chocolate soil at Restaurant André, best restaurant in NYC acc. to the NY Times.
agree ael
4 hrs
Thanks, ael :)
agree Wendy Streitparth : If you read the recipe, it sounds fairly easy. Have a go!
5 hrs
Thanks, Wendy :) That's the obvious answer. Perhaps I will!
agree philgoddard
6 hrs
Thanks, Phil!
agree Noni Gilbert Riley
8 hrs
Thanks, Noni :)
neutral neilmac : Meh. Sorry CD, but this made me think of soiled ahem, unmentionables... :)
8 hrs
Never mind, Neil. Thanks for commenting anyway.
agree Cecilia Gowar : Indeed.... and you get more hits in Spanish for the same recipe, from Heston Blumenthal, than you do in English.//Snobism??? Shame the question's been closed but I enjoy discussing with colleagues anyway :-)
11 hrs
Thanks very much, Cecilia. I noticed that too; it seems to have caught on. But I see the question's been closed [last part unwarranted and removed].
agree Rachel Fell : definitely, as also seen on TV on the GBBO and Masterchef, etc. - and here - http://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/chocolate-parfait-r...
12 hrs
Thanks very much, Rachel :) Yes, it's quite mainstream nowadays. I can't say I find it offputting; quite the opposite!
agree writeaway
13 hrs
Thanks!
agree Sandra Cirera-García : 100%
16 hrs
Thanks, Sandra!
agree Muriel Vasconcellos : I checked with my friend who's a chef, and she confirms all that you say. She also thinks it's British and that 'chocolate dirt' may be more common on this side of the Pond.
22 hrs
Thank you very much for taking the trouble, Muriel. "Chocolate dirt" certainly gets a lot of hits; I think it should go in the glossary entry.
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27 mins

Chocolat crumble

Tierra de chocolate is also called crumble de chocolate in spanish. This is chocolat crumble in english.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Muriel Vasconcellos : Sorry, I have been following the discussion, and I checked with a friend who is a chef. She confirms all that Charles has been saying. (Still, I would never order 'chocolate soil' on a menu but would be tickled to have a 'chocolate crumble'.)
1 hr
neutral Charles Davis : I have to point out that "chocolate crumble" is completely different from this and is a misleading translation: https://realfood.tesco.com/recipes/chocolate-crumble.html
2 hrs
neutral Noni Gilbert Riley : Backing up Charles here - however delicious chocolate crumble sounds, it's not the same thing, different ingredients.
8 hrs
neutral Cecilia Gowar : I believe you are referring to "chocolate crumbs" (not crumble): https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/2774681/chocolate-soil-c...
11 hrs
neutral Rachel Fell : yes, I agree with Cecilia, "chocolate crumbs" is used
13 hrs
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57 mins

Chocolate realm delight

free but gets the idea of the realm of chocolate and a nice way to finish off

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we can be inventive in these cases, so up to you

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and tempting enough

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Chocolate dreamland

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coupling the ideas of something with chocolate and the dreamy finish to a culinary adventure
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+1
1 hr

Chocoland

I propose "chocoland" because it is a dessert and, in my opinion, if I see this kind of title on a dessert list, it would really call my attention and I would like to taste it.

This term opening made me hungry lol
Peer comment(s):
agree David Hollywood : andaría, así que el asker tiene para divertirse
8 mins
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10 hrs

Chocolate earth

Normally, I'd avoid anything to do with Heston Blumenthal like the plague, but the photo actually looks quite appetising...

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"Variations -> white chocolate ‘sand’ – replace dark chocolate with white. I haven’t tried this but it should still work."

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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/leisure/food/recipes/9335008.Choc...

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LOL, hipsters can even have it "served with a trowel", and I'm not making it up...

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"Your Chocolate ‘Earth’ is a moreish chocolate crunch that’s a little like a cheesecake base, with a piquant hint of salt. Serve in a garden container."

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Not to be confused with !"Milk Chocolate Earth Balls: 5 LBS Small solid milk chocolate balls wrapped in foil that looks like the earth!."
Example sentence:

I do love the texture you get with this chocolate ‘earth’.

Reference:

http://stonesoupvirtualcookeryschool.com/2012/11/chocolate-earth/

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Reference comments

22 hrs
Reference:

a couple more refs./pics.

"Carrot cake" – chocolate soil with popping candy, cream cheese icing and glazed carrots

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-11-19/masterchef-the-pro...


http://www.foodspotting.com/places/968562-the-treby-arms-ply...
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