Mar 23, 2018 12:58
6 yrs ago
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French term
France
ordre administratif
French to English
Bus/Financial
Economics
This is a list of reforms aimed at improving the business climate in Benin. The last one reads:
Réforme des corps de contrôle de l'ordre administratif
Bit unsure as to meaning in this context. Any ideas?
Réforme des corps de contrôle de l'ordre administratif
Bit unsure as to meaning in this context. Any ideas?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | Reforming the [bodies in charge of] control over the public administration |
Daryo
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| 4 | hierarchy of administrative courts |
Francois Boye
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| 4 -1 | Administrative nature |
Manoj Chauhan
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References
| contrôle de l'ordre administratif = bonne gouvernance |
ph-b (X)
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Proposed translations
3 hrs
French term (edited):
Réforme des corps de contrôle de l'ordre administratif
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Reforming the [bodies in charge of] control over the public administration
here "l'ordre administratif" is meant in a wider meaning of "l'administration" i.e. bodies exercising a "public function", that are "public authorities"
"corps de contrôle" are all sort of "controlling / supervisory / monitoring" bodies in charge of insuring that "the administration" is functioning as it should.
An example that would be very relevant here would be a "corps de contrôle" (of any possible name, some sort of "Supervisory Authority" , NOT a court) in charge of verifying that "public authorities" are conducting the tendering process for big supply contracts to the state properly, without any bribes being taken, nor any form of rigging etc.
"corps de contrôle" are all sort of "controlling / supervisory / monitoring" bodies in charge of insuring that "the administration" is functioning as it should.
An example that would be very relevant here would be a "corps de contrôle" (of any possible name, some sort of "Supervisory Authority" , NOT a court) in charge of verifying that "public authorities" are conducting the tendering process for big supply contracts to the state properly, without any bribes being taken, nor any form of rigging etc.
Peer comment(s):
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ph-b (X)
: with the explanation (not for me to assess the translation)
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Merci!
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Francois Boye
: it is 'ordre administratif' instead of 'administration publique'
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yeah, sure ... "details" such as "context" are just an irrelevant annoyance ... and repeatedly quoting a misinterpreted reference is bound to make it very convincing!
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GILLES MEUNIER
: agree with François
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So?
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Gordon Matthews
: "public administration", meaning the totality of governing bodies and their actions, is the best translation of "l'ordre administratif" in this context. "administration publique" refers specifically to the action of "public administration".
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yes, this thing called "context" ...Thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thanks"
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48 mins
Manoj Chauhan
India
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Administrative nature
Administrative law is the body of law that governs the activities of administrative agencies of government. Government agency action can include rule making, adjudication, or the enforcement of a specific regulatory agenda. Administrative law is considered a branch of public law. As a body of law, administrative law deals with the decision-making of the administrative units of government (for example, tribunals, boards or commissions) that are part of a national regulatory scheme in such areas as police law, international trade, manufacturing, the environment, taxation, broadcasting, immigration and transport. Administrative law expanded greatly during the twentieth century, as legislative bodies worldwide created more government agencies to regulate the social, economic and political spheres of human interaction
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: yes, but it's only part of this story
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| disagree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: Sorry, but this would only be a possibility if the French read "d'ordre administratif". The "l" excludes this reading as a possibility. ;-)
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Francois Boye
United States
United States
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Specializes in field
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Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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hierarchy of administrative courts
Benin is a former French colony. So I am attaching the French hierarchy of administrative courts, which Benin administrative judges were certainly trained in.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordre_administratif_en_France
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Note added at 5 hrs (2018-03-23 18:18:07 GMT)
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http://www.justice.gouv.fr/organisation-de-la-justice-10031/...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2018-03-23 19:05:01 GMT)
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Présentation de l'ordre administratif
Distinctes des juridictions judiciaires, indépendantes de l'Administration, les juridictions de l'ordre administratif sont organisées en trois échelons.
Jusqu'en 1953, le contentieux administratif relevait du Conseil d'État (créé par Napoléon Bonaparte en 1799) et de conseils de préfecture, transformés en conseils interdépartementaux. Une réforme de 1953 institue les tribunaux administratifs, puis une loi de 1987 crée les cours administratives d'appel.
Les magistrats de l'ordre administratif ont un statut et une formation qui diffèrent des magistrats de l'ordre judiciaire.
Source: LegiFrance
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordre_administratif_en_France
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Note added at 5 hrs (2018-03-23 18:18:07 GMT)
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http://www.justice.gouv.fr/organisation-de-la-justice-10031/...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2018-03-23 19:05:01 GMT)
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Présentation de l'ordre administratif
Distinctes des juridictions judiciaires, indépendantes de l'Administration, les juridictions de l'ordre administratif sont organisées en trois échelons.
Jusqu'en 1953, le contentieux administratif relevait du Conseil d'État (créé par Napoléon Bonaparte en 1799) et de conseils de préfecture, transformés en conseils interdépartementaux. Une réforme de 1953 institue les tribunaux administratifs, puis une loi de 1987 crée les cours administratives d'appel.
Les magistrats de l'ordre administratif ont un statut et une formation qui diffèrent des magistrats de l'ordre judiciaire.
Source: LegiFrance
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: in this specific occurrence [which is what is relevant, not some "general-purpose context-free" case] it's got to do with the "administration" i.e. civil service/public bodies, but it's far wider than just "courts" [in "hierarchical order" or not]
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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordre_administratif_en_France
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philgoddard
: Daryo clearly hasn't bothered to read your reference. I don't think you need to say "hierarchy of", though.
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Thanks!//http://www.justice.gouv.fr/organisation-de-la-justice-10031/...
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ph-b (X)
: Sorry, must disagree: nothing to do with the judiciary or l'ordre judiciaire administratif as it is understood in France. This is about bodies controlling how efficiently the state is managed, etc., otherwise known as bonne gouvernance
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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordre_administratif_en_France
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GILLES MEUNIER
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Thanks!
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Reference comments
3 hrs
Reference:
contrôle de l'ordre administratif = bonne gouvernance
L’Inspecteur Générale d’Etat (IGE), M. Théophile Ahoua N’Doli a rencontré dans la matinée du mercredi 6 décembre, à l’Auditorium de la Primature, les cadres de l’Inspection générale des Finances (IGF) et ceux des Inspections générales des ministères (IGM), pour une rencontre de prise de contact et des échanges relatifs au contrôle, à l’inspection et la bonne gouvernance.
Dans le cadre de sa mission de coordination, d’encadrement et d’appui technique et méthodologique à toutes les structures publiques d’inspection et de contrôle, l’Inspection générale d’Etat (IGE) entend renforcer le cadre de collaboration entre elle et les acteurs de la chaîne du contrôle de l’ordre administratif
https://news.abidjan.net/h/627097.html.
L’Inspection générale d’Etat veut prendre toute sa place dans le processus de contrôle de l’ordre administratif et de bonne gouvernance en lien avec l’ensemble des structures concernées », a indiqué le Président Ahoua Ndoli Théophile qui n’a pas manqué de féliciter le Président de CESEC qui lui aussi, donne une belle impulsion à l’institution qu’il dirige.
https://news.abidjan.net/h/623633.html
Dans le cadre de sa mission de coordination, d’encadrement et d’appui technique et méthodologique à toutes les structures publiques d’inspection et de contrôle, l’Inspection générale d’Etat (IGE) entend renforcer le cadre de collaboration entre elle et les acteurs de la chaîne du contrôle de l’ordre administratif
https://news.abidjan.net/h/627097.html.
L’Inspection générale d’Etat veut prendre toute sa place dans le processus de contrôle de l’ordre administratif et de bonne gouvernance en lien avec l’ensemble des structures concernées », a indiqué le Président Ahoua Ndoli Théophile qui n’a pas manqué de féliciter le Président de CESEC qui lui aussi, donne une belle impulsion à l’institution qu’il dirige.
https://news.abidjan.net/h/623633.html
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Daryo
: yes, it's about that kind of "corps de contrôle"
1 hr
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| disagree |
Francois Boye
: http://www.justice.gouv.fr/organisation-de-la-justice-10031/...
1 hr
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