Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Sueldos fictos patronales
English translation:
notional wages for employer contributions
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patinba
Nov 21, 2020 22:45
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Spanish term
Uruguay
Traductor público de inglés
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Rioplatense) 
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Sueldos fictos patronales
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law: Taxation & Customs
Power of Attorney
Buenas!
Estoy intentando traducir un poder especial de español a inglés, pero no logro encontrar un término en inglés para «sueldos fictos patronales». Aparece dentro de una cláusula que menciona las facultades que los poderdantes pretenden darle al apoderado.
«El apoderado podrá desempeñar los siguientes cometidos: a) Registrar e inscribir empresas; b) Otorgar y suscribir todo tipo de declaraciones juradas; c) Fijar sueldos fictos patronales»
Estoy intentando traducir un poder especial de español a inglés, pero no logro encontrar un término en inglés para «sueldos fictos patronales». Aparece dentro de una cláusula que menciona las facultades que los poderdantes pretenden darle al apoderado.
«El apoderado podrá desempeñar los siguientes cometidos: a) Registrar e inscribir empresas; b) Otorgar y suscribir todo tipo de declaraciones juradas; c) Fijar sueldos fictos patronales»
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +1 | notional wages for employer contributions |
patinba
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| 3 | provisional employer salaries |
Lisa Rosengard
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| 4 -2 | The salaries standing for the contributions of farmers |
Francois Boye
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References
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Taña Dalglish
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Change log
Nov 23, 2020 10:18: patinba Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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notional wages for employer contributions
La solución se encuentra en la cita de François. Es el "salario de aportación" o sea el salario en base al cual el empleador debe calcular los aportes patronales, que no es lo mismo que el salario real (ergo "ficto")
Notional:
existing as or based on a suggestion, estimate, or theory; not existing in reality.
"notional budgets for hospital and community health services"
Similar:
hypothetical
theoretical
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Note added at 16 hrs (2020-11-22 15:17:21 GMT)
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A related use of "notional salary" as the salary used for a calculation, not the actual salary.
Notional salary. A notional or reference salary is the employee's salary before salary sacrifice. A notional salary can be used, for example, to determine pay increases, overtime rates, sick pay, etc. You should make it clear to your employees which salary will be used when calculating benefits.
Your guide to salary sacrifice - Aegonwww.aegon.co.uk › content › dam › ukpaw › documentsP
Notional:
existing as or based on a suggestion, estimate, or theory; not existing in reality.
"notional budgets for hospital and community health services"
Similar:
hypothetical
theoretical
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Note added at 16 hrs (2020-11-22 15:17:21 GMT)
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A related use of "notional salary" as the salary used for a calculation, not the actual salary.
Notional salary. A notional or reference salary is the employee's salary before salary sacrifice. A notional salary can be used, for example, to determine pay increases, overtime rates, sick pay, etc. You should make it clear to your employees which salary will be used when calculating benefits.
Your guide to salary sacrifice - Aegonwww.aegon.co.uk › content › dam › ukpaw › documentsP
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Francois Boye
: notional wage means an equilibrium wage in economic theory//notional does not have any other precise meaning.
50 mins
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Yes, but that is not the context here.
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| agree |
AllegroTrans
1 day 35 mins
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Muchas gracias! Creo que "notional" va muy bien, dado el documento."
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Francois Boye
United States
United States
United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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44
The salaries standing for the contributions of farmers
(Sueldo ficto patronal). ... c) A partir del 1° de enero de 1966 el sueldo ficto patronal mensual de aportación de los empresarios de tareas rurales será equivalente al sueldo mínimo de jubilación fijado por la ley, salvo que el sueldo de aportación por el año 1965 fuere superior, en cuyo caso aportará sobre este último.
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
AllegroTrans
: You have a remarkably furtive imagination; "farmers" is nowhere in the asker's text
1 day 14 hrs
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| disagree |
Germaine
: With AT. Le fait de trouver une expression quelque part ne modifie en rien le contexte propre à la question.
1 day 14 hrs
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1 hr
Lisa Rosengard
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
experienced and well qualified linguist
Native in: English (Variant: UK)
Works in: Spanish to English, English, Spanish, and 3 more.
provisional employer salaries
A direct equivalent could be 'fictitious' employer salaries. Instead of 'fictitious' which is not genuine, provisional salaries which would be temporary or conditional is a better suggestion.
"The person in charge will be able to carry out the following tasks: the registration and enrollment of business companies, to allocate or grant each type of legal statement, set up provisional or temporary employer salaries."
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It described employer salaries as not yet definite. Employer salaries in that case could be speculative, notional or provisional until the rate of pay becomes secured.
(Se describieron salarios no definidos de empleadores. En ese caso los salarios de empleadores pueden ser especulativos, nocionales o provisionales hasta que se aseguran fijamente.
Lo que es ficto no es real.)
"The person in charge will be able to carry out the following tasks: the registration and enrollment of business companies, to allocate or grant each type of legal statement, set up provisional or temporary employer salaries."
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Note added at 2 days 1 hr (2020-11-24 00:07:04 GMT) Post-grading
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It described employer salaries as not yet definite. Employer salaries in that case could be speculative, notional or provisional until the rate of pay becomes secured.
(Se describieron salarios no definidos de empleadores. En ese caso los salarios de empleadores pueden ser especulativos, nocionales o provisionales hasta que se aseguran fijamente.
Lo que es ficto no es real.)
Reference comments
13 hrs
Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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82
Reference:
Refs.
There is nothing in the text to suggest that "patronales" is solely farmers.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/spanish-english...
patronal
ADJECTIVE
1. (Business) employers’ (before noun)
sindicato patronal employers’ association
cierre patronal (management) lockout
organización patronal employers’ organization
la clase patronal management ⧫ the managerial class
cerrado por acto patronal closed by the owners or management
FEMININE NOUN
employers’ organization
(= dirección) management
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Principal Translations
Spanish English
patronal nf (colectividad empresarial) (employers) management n
La patronal no cerró ningún acuerdo con los sindicatos para la reforma laboral.
Management did not make any deals with the unions regarding workplace reforms.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/spanish-english...
patronal
ADJECTIVE
1. (Business) employers’ (before noun)
sindicato patronal employers’ association
cierre patronal (management) lockout
organización patronal employers’ organization
la clase patronal management ⧫ the managerial class
cerrado por acto patronal closed by the owners or management
FEMININE NOUN
employers’ organization
(= dirección) management
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https://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=pat...
Principal Translations
Spanish English
patronal nf (colectividad empresarial) (employers) management n
La patronal no cerró ningún acuerdo con los sindicatos para la reforma laboral.
Management did not make any deals with the unions regarding workplace reforms.
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