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French to English translations [PRO]
Safety / Health and Safety advice
French term or phrase: en souffrance
je peux aussi dire Stop :
Si un collègue s’apprête à prendre la voiture alors qu’il n’est pas bien
Si un collectif de travail est en souffrance

This relates to when a worker should stop the work if the safety regulations are not being applied. I can't think of how the usual meanings for this term would fit here.

Ideas appreciated.
Brendan McNally
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:19


Summary of answers provided
2 +2in danger
Marco Solinas
3pending
Peter Field
4 -2is/are suffering
SafeTex
3 -1in distress / upset / in pain
Angelo Berbotto
3 -1low morale
Bokani Hart
2falling behind
Mpoma
Summary of reference entries provided
http://www.cedip.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/les-competences-d-un-collectif-de-travail-a102.html
polyglot45

Discussion entries: 9





  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
pending


Explanation:
'If a collective labour agreement is pending': if such an agreement were pending, then there could be no certainty as to the applicability of any resultant regulations, negotiated or existent.


    Reference: http://stella.atilf.fr/Dendien/scripts/tlfiv5/search.exe?82;...
    Reference: http://stella.atilf.fr/Dendien/scripts/tlfiv5/visusel.exe?13...
Peter Field
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:19
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  polyglot45: aren't we talking about people here?
35 mins

neutral  SafeTex: Hello Peter: your second reference is particular for letters and messages but I don't see how it can work here for a group of people
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
is/are suffering


Explanation:
Either this is extremely easy or I've completely missed something but if you tell a colleague to "stop", it is 'cos his conduct is causing others to suffer.

SafeTex
France
Local time: 12:19
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: The stop refers to a "safety stop" whereby one of the workers believes that the safety regulations are not being observed and so intiates a "safety stop", ie stops the work until the issue is resolved.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: Over-simplistic and overly literal; I'm afraid you are indeed missing something important here.
27 mins
  -> well, it can cover a heavy work load, psychological or emotional as well as physical stress, bullying etc. so I'm not sure what it is missing as you say. "Suffering at work" also gets nearly 8m Ghits

disagree  Daryo: "Suffering at work" also gets nearly 8m Ghits proves NOTHING // "safety regulations" indulging in psychobabble musing being not very likely => more relavant // You have Machine "Translation" for "translating by statistics", the rudimentary version of MT.
19 hrs
  -> You prefer a phrase that gets 0 ghits as always huh? And you confuse Ghits with Google Translate. Ghits is the number of times Google estimates a phrase is found on the Internet. It has nothing to do with MT. A novice error
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
in distress / upset / in pain


Explanation:
it seems that it does not refer to physical pain but to distress

Angelo Berbotto
Australia
Local time: 20:19
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Tony M: Over-simplistic and overly literal; I'm afraid you are missing something important here.
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
low morale


Explanation:
Proposed translations:

I can also say Stop:
If a team is suffering from low morale / If I detect low employee/staff/team morale

See:

(collectif de travail definition) http://www.cedip.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/les-competenc...

https://snacknation.com/blog/low-employee-morale/

https://ocdalecarnegie.com/5-common-causes-of-low-morale-and...

https://www.rhythmsystems.com/blog/7-signs-your-remote-teams...

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Note added at 9 hrs (2021-08-31 19:24:46 GMT)
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Very interesting web page:

https://www.nokanhui-rps.com/equipes-en-souffrance

Bokani Hart
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:19
Native speaker of: English

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: whole factories should be closed down permanently if that was a good enough reason to stop work on "safety grounds" // this is not a reason to stop work urgently in the middle of a working day.
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +2
in danger


Explanation:
Or "in a hazardous position". I am basing my answer entirely on the context. I could not find a bilingual reference to support it.

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Note added at 1 day 56 mins (2021-09-01 10:59:31 GMT)
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It could also mean "in violation of safety regulations"

Marco Solinas
Local time: 03:19
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 6

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard
55 mins

neutral  Daryo: it definitely must be some kind of dangerous situation to justify stopping work without any further ado, but more precision would be preferable
18 hrs

agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: This will require rephrasing of the sentence but it seems the most logical way to express the situation in context. An even more complete explanation might be appropriate sch as suggested by Asker "safety rules not being complied with".
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3 days 2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
falling behind


Explanation:
Not sure about this at all, but I found this in TLFi: "P. anal. En parlant de tout retard généralement préjudiciable dans la conclusion de quelque chose."

The difficulty being to get it to fit the context. Could a team which is falling behind pose a danger precisely because they then come under time pressure? A bit tenuous, but not beyond the bounds of possibility

... but that's why I've put confidence at a lowly "Low"!

Mpoma
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:19
Native speaker of: English
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Reference comments


2 hrs peer agreement (net): +3
Reference: http://www.cedip.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/les-competences-d-un-collectif-de-travail-a102.html

Reference information:
Définition

Un collectif de travail est un groupe d’individus (internes ou externes à la structure) travaillant ensemble en vue d’atteindre un résultat donné, dans un délai imparti, avec des moyens spécifiques (groupe projet, groupe de travail, équipe…).

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Note added at 2 hrs (2021-08-31 12:18:54 GMT)
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It is the notion of someone or something that is struggling

polyglot45
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  philgoddard
2 hrs
agree  Bokani Hart
6 hrs
agree  Daryo: yes but it simply defines a "work group" or a "team" - no reason whatsoever to automatically associate this term with "struggling", where you got that idea from???
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