Sep 28, 2004 00:22
19 yrs ago
English term
formation
English
Social Sciences
Other
A commitment to an ideological formation of “natural” or biological motherhood and to the universality of “maternal bonding” and mother love obscures the real dangers that mothers can pose to their own children.
genesis?
No synonyms or near synonyms in my native language seem to fit...
genesis?
No synonyms or near synonyms in my native language seem to fit...
Responses
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14 mins
Selected
fabrication/creation
I understand the phrase to mean an ideological fabrication (construction, creation) of a concept or symbol - “natural” or biological motherhood.
Peer comment(s):
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George Rabel
: Hi, Kim- The problem with that is that you will be abscribing a negative connotation to the idea, and I fail to see that in the original "ideological formation". That is why I chose the neutral "concept", even though you are right about the phrase.
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I see the issue differently. Ewa needs synonyms for 'formation' for her translation into Polish. I'm trying to steer away from 'genesis.' And there is a negative connotation to the sentence as a whole - "obscures the dangers ..."
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Refugio
: I like 'fabrication' or 'construction', and I agree with your perception.
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I'm honored, Ruth.
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Montefiore
: it is "creation" in this context
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agree |
Asghar Bhatti
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "thank you"
+1
3 hrs
3 hrs
development, crystallization, realization
Either one of the above terms would probably fit here, along with what the colleagues had suggested above.
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Note added at 3 hrs 37 mins (2004-09-28 04:00:12 GMT)
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The process of formation, forming
There is a Russian word that, I think, would fit the word \"formation\" here perfectly. It\'s the word \"formirovanie\" which is both a formation and a process of formation. The process of forming, creating, ripening, maturing, maturation, on the one hand, and something that has already been formed, created, ripened - on the other.
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Note added at 3 hrs 37 mins (2004-09-28 04:00:12 GMT)
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The process of formation, forming
There is a Russian word that, I think, would fit the word \"formation\" here perfectly. It\'s the word \"formirovanie\" which is both a formation and a process of formation. The process of forming, creating, ripening, maturing, maturation, on the one hand, and something that has already been formed, created, ripened - on the other.
5 hrs
formulation?
I hesitate to suggest this, because it is not very helpful. But "formulation" would make some sense here. It could mean "formulation" in the sense of the way of conceiving or understanding something.
BTW it seems from this question and your other question about "ideology" (I think) that this author is using "ideology" and related terms in the original sense. On this understanding, "ideology" is a set of stories told by a society to justify itself. So you could see the "ideology of mother love" as justifying leaving mothers of young children in the sole care of their mothers, despite all the possible problems (overload of the mother, lack of any kind of safeguards against abusive mothers,,,).
BTW it seems from this question and your other question about "ideology" (I think) that this author is using "ideology" and related terms in the original sense. On this understanding, "ideology" is a set of stories told by a society to justify itself. So you could see the "ideology of mother love" as justifying leaving mothers of young children in the sole care of their mothers, despite all the possible problems (overload of the mother, lack of any kind of safeguards against abusive mothers,,,).
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6 mins
concept / notion / idea / ideal
I beliebe you could, in this case, substitute any of the terms I suggest for "formation".
I'd choose "concept", but wanted to offer you a couple of other alternatives.
Good luck
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Note added at 10 hrs 57 mins (2004-09-28 11:19:33 GMT)
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After seeing some of the other options offered by the colleagues, and reading the entire passage again, I reiterate my original suggestions.
A \"commitment\" to a fabrication, creation, development, crystallization, realization, maturation, or formulation conveys the idea--in my non-native English speaker\'s opinion--that whatever is being fabricated, created, developed, crystallized, realized, matured, or formulated does not exist yet, but rather that one is commited to bringing it into existence. That is quite possible, of course, but in the case at hand I rather doubt, given the subject matter, that it applies here.
My interpretation of the passage as a whole, the \"ideological formation\" notwithstanding, is that the author is referring to a commitment to an EXISTING, prevailing concept.
Good luck!
I'd choose "concept", but wanted to offer you a couple of other alternatives.
Good luck
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Note added at 10 hrs 57 mins (2004-09-28 11:19:33 GMT)
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After seeing some of the other options offered by the colleagues, and reading the entire passage again, I reiterate my original suggestions.
A \"commitment\" to a fabrication, creation, development, crystallization, realization, maturation, or formulation conveys the idea--in my non-native English speaker\'s opinion--that whatever is being fabricated, created, developed, crystallized, realized, matured, or formulated does not exist yet, but rather that one is commited to bringing it into existence. That is quite possible, of course, but in the case at hand I rather doubt, given the subject matter, that it applies here.
My interpretation of the passage as a whole, the \"ideological formation\" notwithstanding, is that the author is referring to a commitment to an EXISTING, prevailing concept.
Good luck!
Peer comment(s):
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RHELLER
: yes, more simply "a commitment to the idea of natural (this English is a little strange)
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It is. indeed. Thanks
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Montefiore
: the "notion" fits here, although I undrestand how it would be perfect if translated into Russian:) there is a Russian word corresponding to the word "formation"
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Thank you. Montefiore. Please see added comments above.
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agree |
Dorene Cornwell
4 hrs
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Thank you. Dorene. Please see added comments above.
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Richard Benham
: I think "conception" would work, too.
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Thank you. Richard. Please see added comments above.
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Discussion
She started using really weird collocations and basically I could hardly understand what on earth was she trying to say (not good for a translator!)
That is why all those questions to you - native speakers - just to paraphrase some of the strangely used words. I could not find any synonyms, or near synonyms neither in ENG-POL nor ENG-ENG dictionaries and at times it was impossible to read anything from the context.
Once again, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH for your help!