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Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

8. onder G. No. xxxx (u)

English translation:

8. under Reg. No. xxxx (unique)

Added to glossary by Barend van Zadelhoff
Feb 11, 2015 16:28
9 yrs ago
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Dutch term

onder G. No. xxx (u)

Dutch to English Law/Patents Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs Apostille/Certification
I am translating a birth certificate from Surinam, which carries a legalisation stamp (apostille) on the back. This needs to be translated too.

In essence this stamp certifies that the certificate is legal.

It has 10 numbered parts to it.
Part number 8 is the following:

onder G. No. xxxx (u)

Assuming No. means number, and the xxx is a four digit number, can anyone help me with what this phrase stands for please, specifically G.and (u).

Thank you, Eke
Proposed translations (English)
3 8. under Reg. No. xxxx (unique)
Change log

Feb 13, 2015 21:06: Barend van Zadelhoff Created KOG entry

Discussion

EHL (asker) Feb 12, 2015:
Wow, Barend, je hebt het gevonden! Kan je het als een antwoord doorgeven, dan kan ik je punten geven. Thank you so much and thank you to freekfluweel, David Walker and Phil Goddard too.
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 12, 2015:
8. onder G. No. xxxx (u)

8. under Reg. No. xxxx (unique)

:-)

...each Apostille issued by a particular Competent Authority should have a unique number.
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 12, 2015:
standaard apostille zie: http://tinyurl.com/n8dt6y6

APOSTILLE
(Convention de La Haye du 5 octobre 1961)
...
7.
8. onder nr.

http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/legalisatie-van-docu...
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 12, 2015:
8. - No
8. - sous no
8. - bajo el numero
8. - onder nummer/onder G. No. xxxx (u)
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 12, 2015:
The question is what means 'G.' and what means '(u)'.

I agree it would be the number of the apostille, the similarity is unmistakable.

numbering

262 The Convention does not specify how Apostilles are to be numbered. Ultimately, it is up to each Competent Authority to determine a system for numbering.

263 The number on the Apostille is critical to allowing a recipient to verify the origin of the Apostille (as provided by Art. 7(2) of the Convention). Accordingly, each Apostille issued by a particular Competent Authority should have a unique number. In practice, some Competent Authorities use an alphanumeric system to number Apostilles.

264 In light of the growing use of e-Registers, it is further recommended that Apostilles be numbered non-sequentially (or otherwise randomly) in order to avoid “fishing expeditions”, i.e., attempts by users to collect information about an Apostille that he / she has not received (see the C&R of the Sixth (Madrid) Forum, available on the Apostille Section of the Hague Conference website under “e-APP”).
David Walker (X) Feb 11, 2015:
Official Handbook The document states that part 8 is the number of the apostille which must be unique for the country. How it is generated is up to the country concerned but it remains just the number of the apostille, no more no less
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 11, 2015:
possibly:

registry number / registration number / register number

This might explain the "G."

The "u" remains.
David Walker (X) Feb 11, 2015:
Official Apostille Handbook www.hcch.net/upload/apostille_hbe.pdf

This is the official handbook issued from Den Haag

Barend, what you have shown is not an apostille
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 11, 2015:
yahoo :-) 1. KS/Diploma-erkenning & Legalisatie
2. is voorzien van het zegel van het Ministerie Van Onderwijs, Cultuur en Wetenschap
3. Voor echt verklaard
4. door de griffier van de rechtbank te Groningen
5. onder nummer
6. ondertekening

1.KS/Diploma-erkenning & Legalisatie"

'[KS? Maybe : "Klanten Service" : 'Customer Service'] /Certification of diploma & Legalisation'

"2.is voorzien van het zegel van het Ministerie Van Onderwijs, Cultuur en Wetenschap"

'is provided with the seal of the Ministry for Education, Culture and Science'

"3.Voor echt verklaard"

'Certified'

"4.door de griffier van de rechtbank te Groningen"

'by the clerk of the (law) court in Groningen'

"5.onder nummer"

'with the (registration) number'

"6.ondertekening"

'Signature'

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110316044138A...
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 11, 2015:
Je zou zeggen dat dit aanknopingspunten moet bieden:

...voor echt verklaard door de Griffier van het Hof van Justitie onder G. No. xxxx (u)

als je de procedure kent.
EHL (asker) Feb 11, 2015:
Could be Barend. Maybe it's best to just use No. like on the American Apostille for which David Walker provided the link.
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 11, 2015:
Ik noem maar iets, ben geen kenner op het gebied van administratie:

griffienummer ?

voor echt verklaard door de Griffier van het hof van Justitie onder G. No. xxxx (u)
EHL (asker) Feb 11, 2015:
Juist
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 11, 2015:
Dus zo?

1.
2.
3.
4. Is voorzien van een zegel/stempel van het Centraal Bureau voor Burgerzaken afd. Reg. v/d Burg. Stand, voor echt verklaard,
5. Te Paramaribo,
6. de 14 apr. 2014,
7. door de Griffier van het hof van Justitie
8. onder G. No. xxxx (u)
9.
10.
EHL (asker) Feb 11, 2015:
Freek Fluweel's antwoord klinkt logisch.

Het voorafgaande:
4. Is voorzien van een zegel/stempel van her Centraal Bureau voor Burgerzaken afd. Reg. v/d Burg. Stand, voor echt verklaard, 5. Te Paramaribo, 6. de 14 apr. 2014, 7. door de Griffier van het hof van Justitie
EHL (asker) Feb 11, 2015:
Ja barend, sorry dat ik zo laat antwoord. Ik was weg. Dat onder hoort er ook bij.B
Barend van Zadelhoff Feb 11, 2015:
@ Eke dat 'onder' hoort dat er ook bij?

Dus bijv.:

8. onder G No. xxxx (u)
David Walker (X) Feb 11, 2015:
Just look at my downloads Phil
philgoddard Feb 11, 2015:
It could be the apostille number, but what would G stand for? It would help to know what part 7 says.
David Walker (X) Feb 11, 2015:
Apostille number It's just the number of the apostille

http://www.apostilleinfo.com/downloads.htm

American version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille_Convention#mediaviewe...
freekfluweel Feb 11, 2015:
Gemeentelijk(e Basisadministratie) Nummer (u) = uittreksel

???

Proposed translations

12 hrs
Dutch term (edited): 8. onder G. No. xxx (u)
Selected

8. under Reg. No. xxxx (unique)

Ik heb geen hard bewijs, Eke.

Ik vind het echter wel aannemelijk.

Belangrijk was de extra informatie die je gaf in de D-box.

1.
2.
3.
4. Is voorzien van een zegel/stempel van het Centraal Bureau voor Burgerzaken afd. Reg. v/d Burg. Stand, voor echt verklaard,
5. Te Paramaribo,
6. de 14 apr. 2014,
7. door de Griffier van het hof van Justitie
8. onder G. No. xxxx (u)
9.
10.

'G. No.' might be griffienummer = 'registry' number -->

registry number / registration number / register number

Also see:

264 In light of the growing use of e-Registers, it is further recommended that Apostilles be numbered non-sequentially (or otherwise randomly) in order to avoid “fishing expeditions”, i.e., attempts by users to collect information about an Apostille that he / she has not received (see the C&R of the Sixth (Madrid) Forum, available on the Apostille Section of the Hague Conference website under “e-APP”).

unique number:

263 The number on the Apostille is critical to allowing a recipient to verify the origin of the Apostille (as provided by Art. 7(2) of the Convention). Accordingly, each Apostille issued by a particular Competent Authority should have a unique number. In practice, some Competent Authorities use an alphanumeric system to number Apostilles.

http://www.hcch.net/upload/apostille_hbe.pdf

Mede dank aan de link hierboven van David Walker.


standaard apostille:

zie: http://tinyurl.com/n8dt6y6

APOSTILLE
(Convention de La Haye du 5 octobre 1961)
...
7.
8. onder nr.

http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/legalisatie-van-docu...

Bedankt en succes.

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Note added at 1 day17 hrs (2015-02-13 10:13:04 GMT)
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Eke, zou je de vraag willen sluiten?
Doe ermee wat je wilt.
Ik wordt een beetje moe van die herhalingen.

Alvast bedankt.

Barend
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : I think we're just guessing here.
2 hrs
Good guess.
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