such claims, actions, liabilities, losses, damages, costs and expenses

French translation: tels

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English term or phrase:	such + [mpl. + fpl.]
French translation:	tels
Entered by:	Thomas Miles

07:52 Nov 16, 2023

English to French translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s) / service contract

English term or phrase: such claims, actions, liabilities, losses, damages, costs and expenses

This is a section dealing with indemnification in a service contact between a service provider and the beneficiary of these services.

My question is essentially linguistic in nature. I am unsure how legal French would translate 'such' in order to agree with a list of nouns that vary in gender and number (e.g. 'pertes' and 'passif). Perhaps there is a smarter solution avoiding 'tel'.

The wider context is:
'Service Recipient assumes full responsibility for and agrees to indemnify, defend and hold harmless Service Provider from and against any and all claims, actions, liabilities, losses, damages, costs and expenses arising from failure of Service Recipient to perform any of its obligations under this Agreement, or from the negligence or willful misconduct of Service Recipient or arising from actions of Service Recipient viewed by Service Provider as a violation of this Agreement, except to the extent such claims, actions, liabilities, losses, damages, costs and expenses result from Service Provider’s own gross negligence or willful misconduct or any breach by Service Provider of its obligations under the Agreement.'

I have translated the list of nouns as:
'réclamations, actions, passif, pertes, dommages et intérêts, coûts et charges'

Thank you for your help.

Thomas Miles KudoZ activity Questions: 124 (8 open) (23 closed without grading) Answers: 121 France
Local time: 12:21

tels

Explanation:
La grammaire française est actuellement soumise à une forte pression, mais, pour le moment, la règle demeure que "le masculin l'emporte". Cette règle aurait peut-être plus de chances de survivre si on expliquait qu'en fait ce n'est pas le masculin, mais le neutre, mais que le neutre a la même forme que le masculin (parce que, historiquement, dans toutes les langues indo-européennes, les formes du neutre étaient beaucoup plus proches du masculin que du féminin). Le fait que "tels" soit suivi d'un substantif féminin fait évidemment un peu bizarre, mais c'est parfaitement admis en langage très officiel, par exemple dans le domaine juridique.

Selected response from:

Pascal Ducher
Local time: 12:21

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5 +2

tels

Pascal Ducher

3 +2

sauf si ces... résultent

Aurélien ARPAZ

4 -1

lesdits

D. Eme Diptrans

Answers

7 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

tels

Pascal Ducher
Local time: 12:21
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: Validez-vous donc 'de tels réclamations, actions, passif, pertes, dommages et intérêts, coûts et charges' ?

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

lesdits

Explanation:
La tournure juridique adaptée ici serait 'lesdits' puisque l'énumération "claims, actions,..." est ici répétée.
Evidemment faites l'accords: ledit, ladite, lesdits, lesdites

D. Eme Diptrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:21
Native speaker of:

French

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

sauf si ces... résultent

Explanation:
Je suis pleinement en accord avec l'argumentaire de Pascal Ducher en tant que linguiste et laisse à d'autres le soin de s'en insurger. Je validerais donc la formulation proposée. Maintenant, comme vous demandez s'il existerait le moyen d'éviter "tel", je pense qu'il est parfaitement possible d'envisager une formumation du type "sauf si ces [liste des éléments] résultent d'une négligence grave... ". Cela ne dénature pas le propos et évite le "choc linguistique" :)

Aurélien ARPAZ
Local time: 12:21
Native speaker of:

French

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