Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
espace attente sécurisé
English translation:
refuge area
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Dec 7, 2019 15:46
4 yrs ago
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French term
espace attente sécurisé
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Construction / Civil Engineering
In-depth technical analysis of an urban commercial property, including a shop on the ground floor.
I was slightly wrong-footed to begin with, thinking that "attente" might mean "awaiting / standby connection". However the presence of the acronym PMR in the second example below gave the game away: these appear to be places where people can shelter, whilst awaiting help/rescue of some kind.
"Modification du cloisonnement des paliers des plateaux des bureaux étant aussi utilisées comme espaces d’attente sécurisé et modification des niveaux de plancher."
"De plus, il existe 4 espaces attentes sécurisés PMR dans le volume espace de vente réparties sur tous les niveaux."
"Installations « Bâtiment » (SSI, Intrusion, Alarmes techniques, Interphonie EAS) sont en bon état et conformes."
The acronym EAS also appears a couple of times, obviously referring to these spaces.
"Des diffuseurs lumineux sont aussi mis en place dans les EAS."
"Un système d’interphonie existe au niveau des différents EAS du commerce."
Thing is, I've never heard of such a "safe waiting space" in a UK shop. I did a bit of searching but nothing helpful turned up.
I was slightly wrong-footed to begin with, thinking that "attente" might mean "awaiting / standby connection". However the presence of the acronym PMR in the second example below gave the game away: these appear to be places where people can shelter, whilst awaiting help/rescue of some kind.
"Modification du cloisonnement des paliers des plateaux des bureaux étant aussi utilisées comme espaces d’attente sécurisé et modification des niveaux de plancher."
"De plus, il existe 4 espaces attentes sécurisés PMR dans le volume espace de vente réparties sur tous les niveaux."
"Installations « Bâtiment » (SSI, Intrusion, Alarmes techniques, Interphonie EAS) sont en bon état et conformes."
The acronym EAS also appears a couple of times, obviously referring to these spaces.
"Des diffuseurs lumineux sont aussi mis en place dans les EAS."
"Un système d’interphonie existe au niveau des différents EAS du commerce."
Thing is, I've never heard of such a "safe waiting space" in a UK shop. I did a bit of searching but nothing helpful turned up.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 2 +2 | safe waiting area |
Tony M
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| 3 +1 | area of refuge |
Marco Solinas
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| 3 +1 | temporary waiting space |
Ph_B (X)
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| 3 +1 | fire-rated safe haven |
SafeTex
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Change log
Dec 15, 2021 08:59: Tony M Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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13 mins
Selected
safe waiting area
I've never come across an equivalent term used in EN either — but maybe B.D.Finch has?
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Note added at 738 days (2021-12-15 08:58:09 GMT) Post-grading
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Coming back and looking further into this, I found this UK reference:
https://www.eufireandsecurity.com/product/everlux-refuge-poi...
where it appears to be officially referred to as a 'refuge area'
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Note added at 738 days (2021-12-15 08:58:09 GMT) Post-grading
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Coming back and looking further into this, I found this UK reference:
https://www.eufireandsecurity.com/product/everlux-refuge-poi...
where it appears to be officially referred to as a 'refuge area'
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: makes sense
3 hrs
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Thanks, Daryo!
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| agree |
Yvonne Gallagher
4 hrs
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Thanks, Yvonne!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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1 hr
Marco Solinas
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area of refuge
This seems like a viable option: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_of_refuge
Peer comment(s):
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Ph_B (X)
: "refuge" is used in some of the sources I've used in my answer.
28 mins
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Daryo
: yes and no - if you get in a "refuge" you are supposed to be safe enough in there to stay there - here it's not THAT safe - it's where they wait to be escorted out of the danger zone.
2 hrs
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1 hr
temporary waiting space
Temporary Waiting Spaces (Refuge Space)
A temporary waiting space is an area that provides a space to accommodate physically impaired persons (or any other impaired person) who are unable to independently negotiate stairs in the event of an evacuation. Where persons are located within a refuge space, it may not be necessary to immediately evacuate.
https://www.ed.ac.uk/health-safety/fire-safety/fire-safety-p...
[Should be leaving] Last after using a temporary waiting space (aka refuge) as their descent will be slow and to go first will cause a log jam, pushing, trips, etc as the main flow builds up behind them.
https://www.safelincs-forum.co.uk/topic/5383-peep/
Emergency Evacuation Planning for Your Workplace: From Chaos ...
https://books.google.fr › books - Traduire cette page
Jim Burtles, KLJ, CMLJ, FBCI, Kristen Noakes-Fry, ABCI - 2014 - Technology & Engineering
Such a temporary waiting space (often described as a refuge) is an area that is separated from a fire by fire-resistant construction and provided with a safe exit ...
English appears to consider that sécurisé is implicit (so not used/ translated), but adds "temporary". Cultural thing? See these signs: https://www.google.com/search?q=temporary waiting space&tbm=...
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Note added at 4 hrs (2019-12-07 20:30:42 GMT)
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Last sentence should end with: "... which are similar to these French ones: https://www.google.com/search?q=espace attente sécurisé pann... "
Peer comment(s):
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Michael Confais (X)
3 days 16 hrs
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+1
10 hrs
fire-rated safe haven
Given as an alternative to "area of refuge" in the reference which has both terms in fact
Peer comment(s):
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GILLES MEUNIER
8 hrs
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Thanks Gilou
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Tony M
: It may not be only about fire; and also, it is not to be regarded as a 'safe haven' — at least, not for very long!
11 hrs
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| neutral |
Yvonne Gallagher
: no, with Tony's comments
12 hrs
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It's what the pdf said although that does not make it right. But I doubt the area is flood, bomb etc. proof.
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Discussion
I agree, not the same context. It was just rattling around in my mind :)
EAS espaces attentes sécurisés
It seems as those these are places for use in emergencies (fires, etc.) that must be provided on all the floors of stores and shops and, indeed, where people can take refuge while awaiting the arrival of the emergency services