Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Portuguese term or phrase:
passagem histórica de marginal a herói.
English translation:
in its/the historical connotation from outlaw to hero
Portuguese term
United Kingdom
Native English speaker living in Brazil
Native in: English
Works in: Portuguese to English, English to Portuguese
passagem histórica de marginal a herói.
Are they talking about someone or something that has historical infamy as a "marginal" or to take care with their historical reputation as heroes etc??
The context of the above phrase follows:
Contudo, como ressalta a autora, a denominação gaúcho se presta a confusões e se deve ter cuidado em sua passagem histórica de marginal a herói.
Dec 18, 2010 13:38: Nick Taylor Created KOG entry
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Proposed translations
Portuguese to English, English to Portug
Native in: English 
Works in: Portuguese to English, English to Portuguese
in its/the historical connotation from outlaw to hero
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Muriel Vasconcellos
: Maybe add: "historical connotation ranging from outlaw to hero"
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quite so, thanks Muriel
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English/Brazilian Port Translator
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian)
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English
in its historical change from outlaw to hero
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Marlene Curtis
Native in: Portuguese , English
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English
historical transition/change from crook to hero status
Explanation:
Prof. Fiorin: O gaúcho e a identidade riograndense - [ Translate this page ]
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Fiorin - Historicamente o gaúcho é o tipo social que predominou na .... que ser gaúcho era ser um “marginal”, alguém sem lei, sem regras, mal visto pela sociedade. ... Hoje, mitificamos o gaúcho e o temos como herói. ...
www.ijuhy.com/noticia-ler.php?id=20170
Competent, diligent, thorough, complete.
Native in: English 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English
how it's meaning has evolved from (that of) outlaw to (that of) hero.
Here's an interesting example of this usage, interesting particularly because it involves the evolution in the meaning of the word entrepreneurship, which itself is a bear to translate!
"The concept of entrepreneurship was first established in the 1700s, and the meaning has evolved ever since. Many simply equate it with ..."
http://bzupages.com/f39/what-entrepreneurship-meaning-entrep...
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-12-13 23:11:24 GMT)
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Important NOT to use the word historical, which refers to what it was at one time, since we are talking about how it changed over time.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-12-13 23:15:32 GMT)
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I'm sorry: just to be clear, what I mean to say is that the two words together: "passagem histórica" is equvalent to "evolution over time," though you don't necessarily need to state all that in your translation. Evolution in and of itself is sufficient, I'd think.
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Evans (X)
: yes, this is nice and clear, though I wouldn't use "that of" because it sounds a bit stuffy.
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Thanks, Gilla.
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T o b i a s
: and agree with agree
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Thanks, Tobias.
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