Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

being cast out into the wilderness

Spanish translation:

ser arrojado a las tinieblas exteriores

Added to glossary by Eugenio Llorente
Feb 26, 2009 17:44
15 yrs ago
6 viewers *
English term

being cast out into the wilderness

English to Spanish Social Sciences Government / Politics Democracia débil
La expresión en este contexto tiene un claro sentido figurativo pero me gustaría vuestra confirmación y alternativas.

"In real life, most of us abhor conflict. I am convinced it’s not just fear of a bruised ego; it’s a primal fear of losing standing in our “tribe,” of being cast out into the wilderness"

Lo interpreto así:

"En la vida real, la mayoría de nosotros detestamos los conflictos. Estoy convencido que no es sólo el temor a un ego herido; es un temor primario de perder status/prestigio en nuestra “tribu”, de ser arrojado a las “tinieblas exteriores"

Me gustaría que me facilitarais un refencia en Internet (yo no lo he conseguido mirando múltiples diccionarios), donde se explique el sentido figurado de ser "cast out into the wilderness". He encontrado fácilmente varios ejemplos de uso, pero no la explicación especifica del sentido figurado de esta expresión inglesa.

Discussion

L.G.F. (X) Feb 26, 2009:
Doblete en ejemplo de traducción Le recomiedo que no use doblete en el texto meta (status/prestigio).

Proposed translations

2 mins
Selected

ser echado a las tinieblas exteriores

Es un poco bíblico, pero a lo mejor te sirve.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 5 mins (2009-02-26 17:50:02 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

No había leído tu traducción, y es mejor que la mía "arrojado a las tinieblas exteriores" ¡Agree!
Something went wrong...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Gracias por la confirmación. Todas las respuestas interesantísimas, pero la tuya es la que mejor se adapta al espíritu de mi contexto."
7 mins

ser marginalizados

una opción

Mike :)

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 mins (2009-02-26 17:57:10 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Results 1 - 10 of about 9,540 for política marginalizados conflicto gobierno. (0.31 seconds)
Search Results

1.
Kit de herramientas
- [ Translate this page ]
Falta de reconocimiento de las instituciones de gobierno indígenas y las ... Sufren de marginalización política y social y son objeto de dominación y .... En los casos en que las prácti-cas y normas indígenas están en conflicto con los ...
www.netpublikationer.dk/UM/5956/html/chapter03.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages -
2.
Historia del conflicto con el pueblo Mapuche ... Cronología de un ...
- [ Translate this page ]
Este gobierno que marginaliza, que expropia, que encarcela y que asesina, ... Aun con su política represiva y el irrespeto por los derechos de los Mapuche, ...
pueblos.originarios.free.fr/resistencias-justicia/historia-del-conflicto-con-el-pueblo-mapuche.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages -
3.
Ilegitimidad vs. sectarismo: representaciones sobre los conflictos ...
- [ Translate this page ]
Por su parte el gobierno y los políticos cargan buena parte de la ... Frente a la resolución negociada y política del conflicto hay en las tres comunidades ...
reseau.crdi.ca/es/ev-4388-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html - 81k - Cached - Similar pages -
4.
Mario González V. - El conflicto y la lucha mapuche, una espina en ...
- [ Translate this page ]
Lo cierto que la marginalización y el extrañamiento casi definitivo es una dura ... más interesadas en recuperar el gobierno que llevar a la realidad el interés y los ... Sus manos, aunque las aparenta por su reciente historia política, ...
www.debatecultural.net/Observatorio/MarioGonzalez7.htm - Similar pages -
5.
Consecuencias de una deuda impaga
- [ Translate this page ]
En dicha ocasión, hace ya más de un año, el gobierno decidió aplicar la "Ley de Seguridad ... que los situarán más cerca de los pobres urbanos, que de una etnia marginalizada. ... Instituto de Ecología Politica. El conflicto mapuche: ...
www.mapuche-nation.org/espanol/html/articulos/art-04.htm - Similar pages -
6.
<center>SUDÁN: CRISIS EN DARFUR<br>Causas del conflicto</center ...
- [ Translate this page ]
31 Jul 2004 ... Causas del conflicto. El Gobierno sudanés, el Sudan Liberation ... Marginalización histórica del sur de Sudán. ... reforma del sistema político que garanticen la democratización y la descentralización de todo el país. ...
www.canalsolidario.org/web/noticias/noticia/?id_noticia=535... - 38k - Cached - Similar pages -
7. [PDF]
1 SECCION I INTRODUCCIÓN Acercando Conflictos Multisectoriales y ...
- [ Translate this page ]
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
étnicos, política de recursos naturales, economía, y más ampliamente la ... compañía privada o del gobierno) y conflictos altamente visibles sirven muchas .... marginalizados igualmente ponen un fuerte énfasis en dicho diálogo, no ...
www.agenda21schulen.de/Chatderwelten/Regenwald/Dialog/mat_d... - Similar pages -
8.
Fundación TIERRA - Análisis político-económico situación nacional ...
- [ Translate this page ]
... la consolidación de un bloque político de sectores populares heterogéneos y antes con conflictos con el gobierno: mineros asalariados y cooperativistas, ...
www.ftierra.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2... - 47k - Cached - Similar pages -
9.
Libertad y Democracia
- [ Translate this page ]
El gobierno de los Estados Unidos promueve la democracia y los derechos humanos ... que fomentan una mayor participación política de los grupos marginalizados. ... durante el gobierno de Fujimori y durante otros períodos del conflicto ...
spanish.peru.usembassy.gov/ad-freedom.html - 25k - Cached - Similar pages -
10.
Política criminal inequitativa y politizada, Articulo OnLine Archivado
- [ Translate this page ]
27 Mar 2008 ... CONFLICTO. Las masacres anunciadas de Nariño ... La OEA y la ONU pidieron de manera conjunta al gobierno garantías para el ... a los grupos sociales marginalizados que han sido tradicionalmente criminalizados (como la ...
www.semana.com/wf_InfoArticulo.aspx?idArt=110490 - 52k - Cached - Similar pages -
Something went wrong...
+1
12 mins

ser arrojado a las fieras

He mirado un rato y no he encontrado una explicación en internet y ahora no tengo de más. Te dejo esta opción que juega con el sentido de ser apartado del rebaño, arrojado a las fieras (como en el circo romano también, je).

Bueno, ¡salud para todos!
Peer comment(s):

agree Roxana V. Lamas
1 hr
Something went wrong...
12 mins

ser desterrado al desierto

Geb fué enterrado vivo, y Nut, después de ser asesinada, fué desmembrada, .... Desterrado al desierto, Set juró volverse tan mortal como las arenas que lo ...
eliseodelalquimista.iespana.es/varios/setitas/sutekh.html - 13k -

Something went wrong...
13 mins

ser desterrado

Un desterrado es un" outcast"
La traduccion literal seria " arrojado al desierto"
Something went wrong...
13 mins

desterrado a la desolación

enviado o despachado a un lugar desértico
Something went wrong...
24 mins

ser arrojado al páramo

...
Something went wrong...
+1
51 mins

expulsados del redil

otra alternativa - to be cast out in the wilderness tiene implicaciones de tener que arreglárselas solo en un medio inhóspito, sin el amparo del resto del "rebaño" para seguir en sentido figurativo.
Peer comment(s):

agree minano : Sí, esta versión me parece más acorde.
19 mins
Muchas gracias.
Something went wrong...

Reference comments

23 mins
Reference:

Concept of wilderness

Bueno, pues parece que esta expresión, el concepto de "wilderness", para ser más precisos, está cargado del sentido que la tradición judeo cristiana le otorgara. Más tarde sería reevaluada para cobrar un tinte ambientalista y ecológico. Creo que el enfoque semiológico del término en cuestión viene pues de esa interpretación negativa cristiana de la "tierra salvaje" por "destierro/tierra inhóspita, maldita"

Espero que esto sea de ayuda.... :D

Part One: The Nature of the Beast or the Beast of Nature?

how great are the advantages of solitude!-How sublime is the silence of nature’s ever-active energies! There is something in the very name of wilderness, which charms the ear, and soothes the spirit of man. There is religion in it.2
this Countrey being verie full of Woods and Wildernesses, doth also much abound with Snakes and Serpents of strange colours and huge greatnesse . . . 3

The descriptions above would seem to represent two very different environments: one pleasant, familiar, and welcoming while the other is forboding, dark and terrible. How could it be that both of these are descriptions of the same subject—that subject being wilderness? It is clear that the word “wilderness” suggests at least two contrasting connotations.

The definition of wilderness, as given in a modern dictionary, also demonstrates seemingly conflicting explanations of meaning:

Wil-der-ness n [ME, fr. wildern wild, fr. OE wilddeoren of wild beasts] 1 a (1):a tract or region uncultivated and uninhabited by human beings b: an empty or pathless area or region c: a part of a garden devoted to wild growth (2): an area essentially undisturbed by human activity together with its naturally developed life community 2 obs: WILDNESS 3 a: a confusing multitude or mass b: a bewildering situation4

Many images are created by this definition alone: wild beasts, a land untouched by human hands, a garden allowed to become wild, a confusing situation. The concept of wilderness probably has almost as many unique images of its character as it has individuals who feel compelled to find a definition which expresses their personal experience with it.

There have been several metamorphoses of cultural attitudes and conceptions of wilderness over recorded time. In classic mythology there are many references to wilderness and nature. Evidence of the fear wild lands stirred in the hearts of ancient peoples is the belief in the character Pan—Lord of the Woods who cast fear into wilderness travellers. It is from the name “Pan” that the word “panic” is derived. At the same time, the pastoral variety of nature was cause for rejoicing and celebration. Wilderness, when tamed and useful, was a friend of man’s.5

At the time of the Middle Ages, Europeans often viewed wilderness with fear, creating monsters and demons to occupy uninhabited areas. Semi-human wild men who would consume children and ravish women were believed to dwell in these areas. These wild men had supernatural powers and superhuman strength. It was these types of early folk beliefs—of devils and spirits and wild men—which were partially responsible for setting the tone for negative attitudes about wilderness.

Wilderness was frequently referred to in literature of the Judeo-Christian tradition. It was typically described as a barren place, devoid of human value, except in the context of spiritual purification and renewal. Considering the dry, sparsely vegetated lands of the Middle East, it is understandable why wilderness was not considered a hospitable place. But the biblical writings and descriptions in literature of wilderness areas as forbidding places had an influence on how the religious colonists of the New World viewed the wilderness with which they were confronted.

Hebraic folk images concerning wilderness were numerous. Creatures such as Tan the howling dragon, Lilith, the winged female monster of night, and Azazel, the arch-devil were examples of the evil that the wilderness held. The idea of a “scapegoat”, where the sins of man were ritualistically placed onto a goat which was then cast out into the wilderness, supported the idea that wilderness was a cursed land.

Wilderness was not without value, however. It was also seen as a sanctuary from persecution and oppression. Wild places were viewed as the dwelling place of God. They were also “testing grounds” of faith. After the Exodus, the Jews were punished and tested by God and wandered in the wilderness for forty years. Later, in Christian times, John the Baptist went into the wilderness to prepare himself. Christ was also led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tested by the devil.

Christianity retained the concept of wilderness as a place of purification with the idea of monasticism. Wilderness value was in escaping a corrupt world. During the 4th and 5th centuries, The Desert Fathers were but a few of the many men who escaped society in search of religious values. Some were actually persecuted by the Church for advocating Christian asceticism and the surrender of all worldly possessions.

In the Middle Ages, Christians viewed wilderness as a place in which to atone and achieve grace. Appreciation or enjoyment of natural beauty was not of value. An exception to this was found in the person of St. Francis of Assisi. He believed wild creatures had souls and should be viewed as equals. In his mind, man is “of” the natural world, not “above” it. The Church responded to his radical philosophy by condemning him as a heretic. The Church preached the domination of Man over Nature and was threatened by his dissent from this belief.6

There were places in the world, however, where Man’s relationship to Nature was seen in a loving, mutualistic context. In the Far East, Man was regarded as a part of nature. Wilderness was a place to attain harmony of soul. In Japan, the Shinto religion actually worshiped nature, deified mountains and forests. A love of wilderness was clearly encouraged.

The greatest impact on American thought and attitudes toward wilderness were from European influences. It is clear that European views were developed, at least in part, by religious perspectives, folkloric legends and fears created by the encounters with the unknown. But at the time that the colonists settled in the New World, Europeans, who no longer had any real wilderness left, romanticized wilderness. They were not in battle with it—Europe had long ago been tamed and cultivated. It was from this vantage point that wilderness held a mystique. Perhaps there was a Paradise yet to be discovered.

From the perspective of the colonists, however, the New World and the wilderness thereof was a desolate, difficult battleground. Diaries from colonists in the early days repeatedly spoke of their struggles against the wilderness in militaristic terms. The battle was real—survival was the primary objective in the face of many obstacles presented by the wilderness condition. The creation of civilization was a formidable task. As such, the wilderness was a place to be conquered, tamed and cultivated.

During the colonial days, the wilderness was a metaphor for the savagery within every man. Wilderness lacked societal pressures to check the innate wildness within man. And without rules imposed by society man had license to behave like a savage. The wilderness provided an opportunity for temptation.

The creation of a pastoral setting out of wilderness was a frequently repeated theme. Supporting this idea were the many biblical references of the desirability of taming the wilderness, such as:

Increase and multiply, replenish the earth and subdue it.

Genesis 1:28

At the same time there was recognition that civilization was the harbinger of corruption and pagan values. Puritans fled to the wilderness to escape the evils of corrupt, European civilization. But their mission was to carve a garden out of the chaos of wilderness, not to appreciate it in any intrinsic way. The hardships presented by the wilderness condition provided a vehicle by which they could draw attention to their accomplishments. They took pride in being conquerors of this untamed, wretched land. This was a place that they could bring “light into darkness”7

Abajo está el link, que incluye mucha más información al respecto.
Something went wrong...
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search