Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
cut and run
Spanish translation:
paticas pa’ qué te quiero (Cuba, España, Chile); poner pies en polvorosa (España, Argentina – generación mayor); darse a la fuga
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English term
cut and run
English to Spanish
Social Sciences
Idioms / Maxims / Sayings
I have decided to compile a somewhat thorough English-Spanish glossary, a long-standing goal I have had for many years but never actually done. In approximately 10% of the cases, I am recurring to you, my colleagues on Proz, to ask you to help me get appropriate translations into Spanish of a number of idioms.
I want to assure everyone that ALL TRANSLATIONS WILL BE SHARED on the open forum we have in Proz. The way I guarantee this is by choosing “one answer” to which I incorporate many of the other answers, and then I click to save the question and answer on the open Proz forum.
Selection criteria: 1) extensive usage throughout the Spanish-speaking world. I am counting on your help, and since usually colleagues simply agree without adding where they know the translated term to be used, I am not able to specify this in the answers. This is not a commercial enterprise, but rather an informal exercise for the benefit of all of us. 2) Many times there are really creative idioms that are used which, although not used necessarily throughout the Spanish-speaking world, would be readily understood by all. I am particularly happy to include these in the open forum so that we can all enjoy them in our use, whether literally, or perhaps with an adaptation to the degree that each translator deems appropriate for that particular target population.
Please, when you agree with an answer, mention the countries in which you know such idiom to be used, if not already mentioned by another colleague. Since this project is so time-consuming and endless, and since, like you, I have such a heavy load of translations and interpreting jobs to do and cannot spend umpteen million hours on it, I must count on your help. And although simply listing countries because another translator says so is in no way scientific, at least it is an interesting start.
Finally, I know context is everything. Quite often I will give the meaning(s) in which I am interested, and I will attempt to include a sample. Some sources, such as the Random House Dictionary, already have an example, so there is no need for me to do this, since time is of essence.
Thank you for your help.
Definition: make a speedy or sudden departure from an awkward or hazardous situation rather than confront it or deal with it. Originally a nautical phrase meaning sever the anchor cable because of some emergency and make sail immediately.
Example: Monday :: Jul 11, 2005
White House Plans To Cut And Run From Iraq
There were reports out of Great Britain late yesterday on this, and now it is confirmed: after Italy signaled last week that it would go ahead and begin withdrawing its troops from Iraq in September as previously announced, Bush?s only remaining major ?coalition? partner is getting out too. That?s right, the Brits are cashing in also, with active planning to reduce their commitment from its current 8,500 troops down to 3,000 by mid-2006. But that may not be the biggest story.
In the newly-released British memos that disclosed the active planning for a British withdrawal, it is revealed that the Bush Administration, despite the ?we don?t cut and run? rhetoric from Bush lately, is planning to do... well, exactly that. The Brits mention in their memo that the Bush Administration is contemplating reducing US forces from 160,000 all the way down to 66,000 just before the 2006 midterms. The Post notes in its piece this morning that there is an active debate between the Pentagon civilian leadership and the commanders in the field on the wisdom of such a large withdrawal so fast. It would appear that Rummy and perhaps the White House, want for obviously political reasons to declare victory and bring a large number home just in time for the 2006 midterms. But the commanders in the field see a major problem with such a large withdrawal in a short period of time, given that the Iraqi security forces are by the commanders? own accounts so ill-prepared to assume responsibility for their own security.
Perhaps the recent move by the Iraqi government to form a military alliance with Iran wasn?t unknown to the Bushies after all. But it could also be that the Iraqi government saw that the Bush Administration was about to saw the branch off behind them and reduce troop levels for domestic political purposes, and decided to throw their lot in with their neighbor.
Please offer idioms of the same informal register. Thanks.
I want to assure everyone that ALL TRANSLATIONS WILL BE SHARED on the open forum we have in Proz. The way I guarantee this is by choosing “one answer” to which I incorporate many of the other answers, and then I click to save the question and answer on the open Proz forum.
Selection criteria: 1) extensive usage throughout the Spanish-speaking world. I am counting on your help, and since usually colleagues simply agree without adding where they know the translated term to be used, I am not able to specify this in the answers. This is not a commercial enterprise, but rather an informal exercise for the benefit of all of us. 2) Many times there are really creative idioms that are used which, although not used necessarily throughout the Spanish-speaking world, would be readily understood by all. I am particularly happy to include these in the open forum so that we can all enjoy them in our use, whether literally, or perhaps with an adaptation to the degree that each translator deems appropriate for that particular target population.
Please, when you agree with an answer, mention the countries in which you know such idiom to be used, if not already mentioned by another colleague. Since this project is so time-consuming and endless, and since, like you, I have such a heavy load of translations and interpreting jobs to do and cannot spend umpteen million hours on it, I must count on your help. And although simply listing countries because another translator says so is in no way scientific, at least it is an interesting start.
Finally, I know context is everything. Quite often I will give the meaning(s) in which I am interested, and I will attempt to include a sample. Some sources, such as the Random House Dictionary, already have an example, so there is no need for me to do this, since time is of essence.
Thank you for your help.
Definition: make a speedy or sudden departure from an awkward or hazardous situation rather than confront it or deal with it. Originally a nautical phrase meaning sever the anchor cable because of some emergency and make sail immediately.
Example: Monday :: Jul 11, 2005
White House Plans To Cut And Run From Iraq
There were reports out of Great Britain late yesterday on this, and now it is confirmed: after Italy signaled last week that it would go ahead and begin withdrawing its troops from Iraq in September as previously announced, Bush?s only remaining major ?coalition? partner is getting out too. That?s right, the Brits are cashing in also, with active planning to reduce their commitment from its current 8,500 troops down to 3,000 by mid-2006. But that may not be the biggest story.
In the newly-released British memos that disclosed the active planning for a British withdrawal, it is revealed that the Bush Administration, despite the ?we don?t cut and run? rhetoric from Bush lately, is planning to do... well, exactly that. The Brits mention in their memo that the Bush Administration is contemplating reducing US forces from 160,000 all the way down to 66,000 just before the 2006 midterms. The Post notes in its piece this morning that there is an active debate between the Pentagon civilian leadership and the commanders in the field on the wisdom of such a large withdrawal so fast. It would appear that Rummy and perhaps the White House, want for obviously political reasons to declare victory and bring a large number home just in time for the 2006 midterms. But the commanders in the field see a major problem with such a large withdrawal in a short period of time, given that the Iraqi security forces are by the commanders? own accounts so ill-prepared to assume responsibility for their own security.
Perhaps the recent move by the Iraqi government to form a military alliance with Iran wasn?t unknown to the Bushies after all. But it could also be that the Iraqi government saw that the Bush Administration was about to saw the branch off behind them and reduce troop levels for domestic political purposes, and decided to throw their lot in with their neighbor.
Please offer idioms of the same informal register. Thanks.
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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32 mins
Selected
paticas pa qué te quiero/salir pitando
The first one is from Cuba (where I grew up). The second one from
Spain. Hope it helps.
POLITICA / Un recuerdo de gratitud / Oscar Mario González, Grupo ... - [ Translate this page ]
... mientras su jefe militar, el coronel Tortoló ponía pies en polvorosa rumbo a
la embajada soviética, al grito de ¡Paticas pa´qué te quiero! ...
www.cubanet.org/CNews/y04/jun04/15a5.htm - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
Spain. Hope it helps.
POLITICA / Un recuerdo de gratitud / Oscar Mario González, Grupo ... - [ Translate this page ]
... mientras su jefe militar, el coronel Tortoló ponía pies en polvorosa rumbo a
la embajada soviética, al grito de ¡Paticas pa´qué te quiero! ...
www.cubanet.org/CNews/y04/jun04/15a5.htm - 43k - Cached - Similar pages
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Ma. Fernanda Blesa
: ninguna de las dos se usa en Argentina, pero supongo que el común de la gente las entendería igual. "Salir pitando" suena un poquito más común.
5 mins
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Por eso he dicho el pais de origen (Cuba y España), no he mencionado para nada Argentina. Saludos.
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agree |
Jesús Morales
: Por aquí es parecida ¡pies pa' qué os quiero!
6 mins
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agree |
Carmen Riadi
: Sí, también se usa en Chile con "patitas pa qué te quiero"
14 mins
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Muchas gracias Carmen
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Muchas gracias - algunas traducciones buenísimas
Un abrazo, Mike :)"
6 mins
Salir por pies/salir por patas
Those translations are very "castizas" and are widespread used in SPAIN. The first one is more polite and the second one much more familiar.
I hope it helps.
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Note added at 14 mins (2006-01-15 17:17:37 GMT)
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"Salir cortando" would be another possible option. Then you have more rude expressions (used by a large number of people, though).
I hope it helps.
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Note added at 14 mins (2006-01-15 17:17:37 GMT)
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"Salir cortando" would be another possible option. Then you have more rude expressions (used by a large number of people, though).
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Ma. Fernanda Blesa
: this one is not used in Argentina
22 mins
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That is why I said "in SPAIN" :D
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+3
15 mins
darse a la fuga / hacerse humo
bastante comunes
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Ma. Fernanda Blesa
: "darse a la fuga" suele usarse al hablar de delincuentes, cuando se escapan. "Hacerse humo" la he escuchado menos, pero la connotación es la de desaparecer sin dejar rastro (todo esto en Argentina)
16 mins
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gracias!
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agree |
delat
23 mins
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gracias!
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agree |
Marina56
: OK, y pondré también una opción.
1 hr
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gracias!
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+2
16 mins
poner pies en polvorosa
Salir por pies/patas es perfecta. Se usa en España y no sé si en otros países.
Otra opción es poner pies en polvorosa que, sospecho, se utiliza en todo el mundo de habla hispana.
Otra opción es poner pies en polvorosa que, sospecho, se utiliza en todo el mundo de habla hispana.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Ma. Fernanda Blesa
: en Argentina no la usamos, per sí la entendemos y es muy común escucharla en películas dobladas. Creo que debe ser la más "internacional".
17 mins
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agree |
Graciela Guzman
: Si se usa en Argentina. Es un poco antiguo pero aún se escucha por ahí.
4 hrs
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40 mins
huir despavorido
Se me hace que esta expresión debe ser bastante "internacional".
46 mins
salir echando humo
Rajarse. Bastante informales los dos. Otro ya muy informal es "irse a los pedos". Si se me ocurren más vuelvo :)
(todas mis respuestas son para Argentina, por si me olvido de aclararlo)
(todas mis respuestas son para Argentina, por si me olvido de aclararlo)
17 mins
echarse el pollo
Very Chilean expression.
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Note added at 48 mins (2006-01-15 17:50:58 GMT)
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La otra muy divertida que también usamos es: "apretar cachete"
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Note added at 48 mins (2006-01-15 17:50:58 GMT)
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La otra muy divertida que también usamos es: "apretar cachete"
+1
1 hr
tocata y fuga
Es un juego de palabras con los tiempos musicales y que significa hacer algo (no muy ortodoxo) y escapar. Puede darte otra opción a lo ya dicho por mis compañeros.
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Note added at 1 hr 54 mins (2006-01-15 18:57:36 GMT)
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En Argentina
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Note added at 1 hr 54 mins (2006-01-15 18:57:36 GMT)
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En Argentina
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Martin Harvey
: Este me encanta, muy original. Argentina.
8 hrs
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Gracias Martin, enseguida me vino en mente cuando vi la propuesta y me pareció válida y buena. Se dice muchas veces de los hombres que son "una tocata y fuga" con el sentido del juego de palabras o una persona que viene de visita "rápida" y otras....
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Discussion
1) When on KudoZ, as translators different people agree and disagree as to the appropriateness in general of the translation based on the meaning, register or country in which its use is indicated. This extremely valuable interaction would be missing if simply sent to me without this interaction.
2) In addition to whatever summarized answer based on register, meaning and country of use that I determine in KudoZ, the entire "conversation" is available for each translator to ocnsult on Kudoz, and since I am fallible just like everyone else, other translators may and probably would come to different conclusions in some cases. This component would also be missing, this extremely important interaction.
3) It is much more time-consuming to have to download individual lists and combine them than having them in one place, where everyone can participate. Since it is already time consuming on ProZ, and since I, like you and everyone else, am very busy with interpreting and translation for clients, by doing it on Proz, it makes it potentially feasible.
4) The purpose is not necessarily to find only one translation for these different idioms, but to see how the usage varies from country to country, and even speaker to speaker. On KudoZ, where there is vibrant interaction, this can be done.
5) Finally, this is not a "job" per se, but a project.
Once again, to make a long story short, I do really appreciate your input and hard work as one of the moderators (which I am sure is much more time consuming than my volunteer work for this glossary). However, I remain convinced that this is the best forum for this type of subject matter to have the greates and best impact for translators. Don't forget, ALL THE INFORMATION is shared on the open forum.
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