Aug 31, 2006 10:31
17 yrs ago
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Dutch term
Belgium
beeldvorming
Dutch to English
Other
History
"Hij zal u vertellen over die ene dag … 11 juli 1302 … toen op het Groeningeveld bij Kortrijk de Guldensporenslag werd uitgevochten. Hij zal u ook meenemen door zeven eeuwen beeldvorming ... en over het gebruik van 11 juli als nationaal symbool."
Can anyone please give me some ideas how to express 'beeldvorming' in this context? I noticed that this word has featured previously on this forum but none of those translations ('conceptualisation'/'imaging') seem to fit in here.
Can anyone please give me some ideas how to express 'beeldvorming' in this context? I noticed that this word has featured previously on this forum but none of those translations ('conceptualisation'/'imaging') seem to fit in here.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +4 | comment |
Ken Cox
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| 4 +2 | see explanation |
Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
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| 4 +1 | establish an image/image formation |
Johan Venter
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| 3 +1 | opinion-forming |
Dave Calderhead
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| 4 | history made visible |
Tina Vonhof (X)
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| 3 | images |
writeaway
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| 3 | shaping the human mind |
Dennis Seine
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| 3 | He will also take you through a series of images and |
jarry (X)
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Proposed translations
+4
52 mins
Selected
comment
As you and some answerers say, this term encompasses so much that a paraphrase or some other form of rewording is almost unavoidable in English. Maybe you could turn it around and use a formulation based on 'perception' -- e.g. 'how this event (these events) have been perceived during the course of seven centuries'.
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Note added at 56 mins (2006-08-31 11:28:47 GMT)
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and/lor 'portrayed' if actual imagery is involved
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Note added at 56 mins (2006-08-31 11:28:47 GMT)
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and/lor 'portrayed' if actual imagery is involved
Note from asker:
| I agree..I'm thinking of something along the same lines..Thanks (everybody) for all your inputs. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tina Vonhof (X)
: Also a good suggestion.
4 hrs
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| agree |
Antoinette Verburg
4 hrs
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| agree |
Bryan Crumpler
5 hrs
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| agree |
Dave Calderhead
6 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for all the suggestions (and sorry for the delay in responding..) but I found this one to be most helpful in the context. However, since this was so context-specific, perhaps its best not to add it to the glossary. "
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5 mins
Johan Venter
Czech Republic
Czech Republic
Native in English
Works in field
Czech Republic
Related KudoZ points
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3
establish an image/image formation
Also according to Van Dale:
beeldvorming de (v.)
formation of an / the image, (ook techniek) creation of an / the
image
formation of a / the picture, (ook techniek) creation of a / the
picture
conceptualization, voorstelling bijvoorbeeld in de pers representation,
image
context
bijdragen tot een bepaalde beeldvorming
help to create / establish a certain image
beeldvorming de (v.)
formation of an / the image, (ook techniek) creation of an / the
image
formation of a / the picture, (ook techniek) creation of a / the
picture
conceptualization, voorstelling bijvoorbeeld in de pers representation,
image
context
bijdragen tot een bepaalde beeldvorming
help to create / establish a certain image
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Wulf-Dieter Krüger
: the visitor shall take home ... a picture/an image of ...
1 hr
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Thanks
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+1
30 mins
Dave Calderhead
Netherlands
Netherlands
Native in English
Netherlands
Reliable translations, reasonable rates
Native in: English
Works in: Dutch to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
4
opinion-forming
is another alternative in a political history context
Note from asker:
| I feel its somehow more than only opinions they mean (going by the general tone of the document). Its also the creation of images, legends, myths, traditions around a particular historical event. I'm finding this really difficult to express in just one or two words! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ken Cox
: Probably what is meant (see GWNT 'het ontstaan van een opvatting over personen, zaken, feiten e.d.'), but IMO it needs rewording in English (I'm no fan of hyphenated gerunds in English)
15 mins
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+2
35 mins
Siobhan Schoonhoff-Reilly
Netherlands
Netherlands
Native in English
Netherlands
Tailoring to your specific needs
Native in: English
Works in: Dutch to English
see explanation
I think a little creative thinking is required here. Something like "he will also take you on a journey spanning seven centuries..." might work.
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Note added at 56 mins (2006-08-31 11:27:59 GMT)
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Thanks for your note Ruchira, perhaps 'pictorial journey'?
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Note added at 56 mins (2006-08-31 11:27:59 GMT)
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Thanks for your note Ruchira, perhaps 'pictorial journey'?
Note from asker:
| Thanks for your answer..I agree that a literal translation won't be a good idea here but just saying 'journey' would be ignoring the entire range of imagery that has been built up around this event. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Tina Vonhof (X)
: I think this is a good suggestion.
4 hrs
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Thanks
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| agree |
Bryan Crumpler
: Contrary to the asker's reply, "journey" already implies a lot of imagery. A "trip" can be going from point A to B and back, while a "journey" I've always associated with experiences which could be traumatic, inspirational, imaginative, or impressionable.
5 hrs
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Thanks
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37 mins
images
in this context.
Clifton C Olds (Bowdoin)
Recent Exhibitions Curated at the Bowdoin College Museum of Art:. "The Art of War: Four Centuries of Images, " May - August, 2003. ...
academic.bowdoin.edu/faculty/C/colds/
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Note added at 41 mins (2006-08-31 11:13:03 GMT)
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will be your guide through 7 centuries of images .........
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-08-31 11:38:36 GMT)
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images and concepts (can be mental too).
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-08-31 11:42:20 GMT)
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images, concepts, ideas, attitudes. (fixed ideas...........)
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-08-31 12:02:02 GMT)
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that have/ as they emerged, been perceived, developped, progressed, evolved, taken shape ...... ??
Clifton C Olds (Bowdoin)
Recent Exhibitions Curated at the Bowdoin College Museum of Art:. "The Art of War: Four Centuries of Images, " May - August, 2003. ...
academic.bowdoin.edu/faculty/C/colds/
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Note added at 41 mins (2006-08-31 11:13:03 GMT)
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will be your guide through 7 centuries of images .........
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-08-31 11:38:36 GMT)
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images and concepts (can be mental too).
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-08-31 11:42:20 GMT)
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images, concepts, ideas, attitudes. (fixed ideas...........)
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-08-31 12:02:02 GMT)
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that have/ as they emerged, been perceived, developped, progressed, evolved, taken shape ...... ??
Note from asker:
| This would normally be alright if what was being referred to were actual paintings/illustrations etc. But the document is more about the stories (true or false!) surrounding the 1302 battle. |
| Actually, what I really meant was that the 'vorming' part also needs to be considered in the translation, not only what is being formed. |
4 hrs
shaping the human mind
'Beeldvorming' seems to me to have to do with the outlook people have on history, life, society etc, and in that sens this might be a good suggestion.
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Note added at 4 hrs (2006-08-31 14:46:36 GMT)
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I am sorry, 'sense' of course...
Whole sentence would be something like : 'He will guide you on seven centuries of shaping the human mind/shaping the outlook people have on history/life [...]'
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Note added at 4 hrs (2006-08-31 14:46:36 GMT)
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I am sorry, 'sense' of course...
Whole sentence would be something like : 'He will guide you on seven centuries of shaping the human mind/shaping the outlook people have on history/life [...]'
5 hrs
history made visible
Another suggestion: seven centuries of history made visible. What is visible could be anything - paintings, maps, displays with figurines, etc.
7 hrs
He will also take you through a series of images and
impressions covering seven centuries of ...
Discussion
"Welkom in het museum Kortrijk 1302 – één dag, zeven eeuwen. We nodigen u graag uit om een reis te maken door de tijd. Gilles li Muisit, de oude abt van de abdij Saint-Martin in Doornik zal uw gids zijn."