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أمين السر

English translation: secretary

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Arabic term or phrase:أمين السر
English translation:secretary
Entered by: Abdelmonem Samir

12:35 Aug 9, 2007
Arabic to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)
Arabic term or phrase: أمين السر
أمين السر الاستاذ روفائيل صباغة
George Aziz
secretary
Explanation:


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Note added at 21 mins (2007-08-09 12:57:20 GMT) Post-grading
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You know the context better than me. But I think Just " secretary" would be OK.
Selected response from:

Abdelmonem Samir
Local time: 08:30
Grading comment
Thank you, Do you think "head secretary" is ok?
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +4Secretary
Iman Khaireddine
5 +3secretary
Abdelmonem Samir
5 -1Trustee
Bert Robison


Discussion entries: 2





  

Answers


1 min   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
Secretary


Explanation:
Secretary

Iman Khaireddine
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Abdelmonem Samir: :)
1 min
agree  zkt
3 mins
agree  Sahar Moussly
24 mins
disagree  Bert Robison: please look at my answer below
35 mins
  -> Which answer do you mean?
agree  Sayed Moustafa talawy: agree
8 hrs
agree  amalea
5 days
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2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
secretary


Explanation:


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Note added at 21 mins (2007-08-09 12:57:20 GMT) Post-grading
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You know the context better than me. But I think Just " secretary" would be OK.

Abdelmonem Samir
Local time: 08:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
PRO pts in category: 104
Grading comment
Thank you, Do you think "head secretary" is ok?

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Hani Hassaan
12 mins
agree  Nabeel Alwyssi: executive secretary
13 mins
disagree  Bert Robison: please look at my answer below
50 mins
agree  Sajjad Hamadani
6 hrs
agree  Sayed Moustafa talawy: agree
8 hrs
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51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Trustee


Explanation:
I have looked at two references for this. The first one is the WATA Online dictionary which I have listed in my answer (click the link then search the page for the term 'Trustee'). WATA uses both أمين and کاتم السر for secretary. If you go to the second link I posted, which is a UN report, you will see that the term is translated by the UN as 'Trustee'. So it is obvious that the UN distinguishes between 'General Secretary الأمين العام' and 'Trustee آمین السر'. I trust how the UN people handle these things.
You can also google the following search term 'أمين السر trustee' and study the results you get, but I believe that the UN has enough authority on the subject.

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Note added at 54 mins (2007-08-09 13:30:27 GMT) Post-grading
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If the UN link does not work here it is viewed as HTML

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:bQGOK92aMiQJ:www.sakakin...

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Note added at 8 hrs (2007-08-09 21:18:44 GMT) Post-grading
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In reference to Mr. Talawy's disagreement comment I also add that if we take the functional definition of the term 'Secretary' it does not apply to the functions of the "أمين السر". The translation should convey the function of the job.

Example sentence(s):
  • The Secretary General shall attend the meetings of the Court as a Secretary.
  • يحضر الأمين العام اجتماعات المجلس ويكون لحضوره صفة أمين السر.

    Reference: http://www.wataonline.net/site/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?t...
    Reference: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=8&url=http%3A%2F%2F...
Bert Robison
Local time: 00:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Sayed Moustafa talawy: Dear Jabara ( Trustee ) means ( أمين الوقف/ أمين الودائع في المواريث في قوانين الأسرة والمواريث الإنجليزي
7 hrs
  -> What you are referring to according to the Farouqi legal dictionary is the 'Custodian'. I still believe that the UN handling of this term is the way to go. Please refer to the document as a sample.
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