Dec 24, 2007 10:39
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French term
devenir
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"Sur les années suivantes, pour lesquelles les informations sont exhaustives, au devenir près des provisions encore en cours, le décalage est encore plus marqué."
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Feb 18, 2011 12:44: Stéphanie Soudais changed "Term asked" from "devenir (in this context)" to "devenir "
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Richard Benham
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French term (edited):
devenir (in this context)
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voir ci-dessous
I hate to say this, but the answers presented so far seem to be largely wild guesses. In fact, there is nothing mysterious about the expression at all.
Having said that, some more context would help in selection of tenses, for instance. The term "le devenir" here is something like "what is/was to become of"; other possibilities are "the fate of", "what happened/was to happen/is to happen/... to", etc. The point is that the information was complete "up to" (the standard translation for "à ... près") or "except for" or "except in relation to", ..., what happened, was to happen, is to happen to the "provisions en cours".
Having said that, some more context would help in selection of tenses, for instance. The term "le devenir" here is something like "what is/was to become of"; other possibilities are "the fate of", "what happened/was to happen/is to happen/... to", etc. The point is that the information was complete "up to" (the standard translation for "à ... près") or "except for" or "except in relation to", ..., what happened, was to happen, is to happen to the "provisions en cours".
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Buzzy
: I like "what is to become of/happen to", they eluded me when I was preparing my own answer (motivated by a similar feeling to your initial comment)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you very much for your help. I used your suggestion of "what is to become of" and the reviser has passed it. "
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David BUICK
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French term (edited):
devenir (in this context)
right up to
Not sure, but I think it might mean something along the lines of "exhaustive, right up to current forecasts" (or: going so far as to include...; or something like that!)
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Etienne Muylle Wallace
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French term (edited):
devenir (in this context)
lacking / waiting for
what is still at hand still has to be confirmed, so the certainty is not 100 % until confirmation of these forecasts
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L.J.Wessel van Leeuwen
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French term (edited):
devenir (in this context)
in spite of
In spite of present and current measures...
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French term (edited):
devenir (in this context)
future developments/changes/treatment
I basically understand this in the same way as Etienne (like "à ceci près" - they know for certain about everything except...) but take the "devenir" to refer to the "fate" of the provisions: you could say something along the lines of: For subsequent years for which all information is available (apart from information on future developments/changes/treatment in/of provisions..."
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Lidija Lazic
: Désolée, je n'avais pas vu votre réponse avant de poster la mienne
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vous ne pouviez pas, apparemment on s'y collait en même temps! et Richard ci-dessous aussi !
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Richard Benham
: Another workable option. I was more trying to explain the concept than give a precise wording for the translation.
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Lidija Lazic
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French term (edited):
devenir (in this context)
the change
le devenir est un changement, une transformation temporelle.
Ne pas utiliser abusivement pour: avenir, progrès ou évolution.
l'expression "EN devenir" signifie en cours de réalisation.
Ne pas utiliser abusivement pour: avenir, progrès ou évolution.
l'expression "EN devenir" signifie en cours de réalisation.
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French term (edited):
devenir (in this context)
(upcoming) enforcement
It seems to me the meaning is that of "exécuter", mettre en application
With, considering the upcoming enforcement of provisions (or maybe ongoing)
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-24 13:34:13 GMT)
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devenir
se faire, se réaliser, s'accomplir, se passer, se produire, tomber, tourner, aboutir, se terminer, tendre à, évoluer, se transformer.
devenir
(nom masculin)
Evolution temporelle des choses.
(considering the) Contiguous/immediate evolution of the effective/applicable provisions
With, considering the upcoming enforcement of provisions (or maybe ongoing)
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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-12-24 13:34:13 GMT)
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devenir
se faire, se réaliser, s'accomplir, se passer, se produire, tomber, tourner, aboutir, se terminer, tendre à, évoluer, se transformer.
devenir
(nom masculin)
Evolution temporelle des choses.
(considering the) Contiguous/immediate evolution of the effective/applicable provisions
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