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May 19, 2008 19:42
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Bulgarian term

полувисше образование

Bulgarian to English Other Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs
Another term from an application for an ID. I'm not sure how the different levels relate to US and British schools.
Context:
Образование: без образование, начално, основно, средно, средно-специално, полувисше, висше

Here's my draft translation: Education: none, elementary, middle school, secondary school, trade school, junior college, university.

I'd appreciate any advice from someone with more knowledge in this area.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +4 college education
4 +3 Associate Degree
3 specialised/advanced college education
4 -2 vocational education

Discussion

James McVay (asker) May 21, 2008:
The language on application forms is very telegraphic by its nature, but as I read this, the applicant isn't being asked here to state the degree received, but rather the level reached and/or type of education received.
Ivan Klyunchev May 20, 2008:
Please ask another question for the degree. Now we have a mixture of answers to two terms.
Pavel Tsvetkov May 20, 2008:
[To James McVay:] In Bulgaria "Undergraduate Degree" is "бакалавърска степен" and therefore is part of "висше образование". Your best choice (unless there is something we do not understand and have not thought about) should be "Associate Degree".
Pavel Tsvetkov May 20, 2008:
В Америка (където съм живял) колеж и универитет не са степени на образование, а название на учебно заведение. Голяма част от колежите са универитети, които са избрали да се казват така.
invguy May 20, 2008:
to "полувисше" or to uni. Also, "полувисше" is typically a vocational/trade type of education: it produces qualified technical personnel (but not engineers), nurses/paramedics (but not doctors), librarians (but not literature/language experts).
invguy May 20, 2008:
Not sure how (and if at all) it relates to the US system, but IMO one thing needs to be very clear: "полувисше" is not a preliminary/intermediate stage towards "висше" (university education) but its *alternative*. From secondary school you go either to
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
Undergraduate education corresponds to bachelor's degree in universities, usually 4 years.
James McVay (asker) May 19, 2008:
I love it when natives argue, but this is getting a lot more complicated than it needs to be. I get the impression that "полувисше образование" is undergraduate education. Then does"висше образование" in Bulgaria equate to a grad school education?
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
Тук става дума за College като част от ВУЗ - ВТУ "Тодор Каблешков", а не за полувисше учебно заведение. Примерът не е удачен.
natasha stoyanova May 19, 2008:
Length of programmes Specialist - 3 years
Bachelor - 4 years
Master - 1.5 years
Doctor - 3 years after the Master’s degree.
The academic year consists of two semesters.
natasha stoyanova May 19, 2008:
Medical College; Transport College (TC). Transport Equipment and Technology ... is a state specialized institution of higher education with an 83-year history in Sofia. ...
http://www.euroeducation.net/euro/bg035.htm
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
Само МОН има право да признава съответствия на образования и дипломи.
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
Това не е официален източник. Просто е взето от българско-английския речник.
natasha stoyanova May 19, 2008:
http://www.websters-dictionary-online.net/translation/Bulgar...
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
Доколкото знам, на сайта на МОН има официални съответствия на учебни заведения, дипломи и степени. Трябва да се види там.
natasha stoyanova May 19, 2008:
Мисля, че на нашата система за полувисше си е точно college. Когато е висше, се определя каtо University College or College of Higher education
James McVay (asker) May 19, 2008:
I should have mentioned that there's a spot lower on the form to indicate the degree received.
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
Misprint: Lingvo 12.
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
квалификации и возросшим стремлением населения к образованию. Сейчас в них обучаются около 40 процентов всех студентов.
I think that three-year junior college is closest translation because "полувисше" was 3 years long.
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
специалиста [associate ; associate in arts; associate in science]. Первый такой колледж был основан в 1910 [Fresno City College ]. В 60-е гг. значительно увеличилось их число, что было связано с ростом потребностей экономики в специалистах средней
Ivan Klyunchev May 19, 2008:
Lingwo 12: junior college колледж низшей ступени Государственный или частный колледж с двухлетним сроком обучения (существуют также трехгодичные колледжи [three-year junior college]), по окончании которого выпускнику присваивается квалификация младшего
natasha stoyanova May 19, 2008:
основно = primary; средно = secondary education / high school; средно-специално = vocational training & education;

Proposed translations

+4
11 mins

college education

in between high school and university
Peer comment(s):
agree silviya stoimenova (X)
5 mins
Благодаря
agree Ivan Klyunchev
23 mins
Благодаря
agree Ivelina Todorova
21 hrs
Благодаря, Ивелина
agree atche84
4 days
Благодаря
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54 mins

specialised/advanced college education

Specialised/advanced refers to a specific educational feature - e.g. advanced technical college - in BG техническите полувисши училища (по съобщенията - "Авр. Стоянов", ЖП - бившето "Т. Каблешков"); advanced/specialised medical college - медиц. полувисши институти, и тн. Полувисшето образование беше строго специализирано по определена специалност - техническа, педагогическа, медицинска ...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Ivan Klyunchev : three-year junior college горе отговаря на това описание на български. Advanced спрямо какво?
3 mins
Advanced в смисъл на по-горна степен, както и надстройка над средното образование; като синоним на specialised. ПВУЗ са специализирани-даже се казваха институти по ... Предложението съм го засякъл с немските FHS, но и там няма ясни критерии за ПВУЗ ..
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+3
8 hrs

Associate Degree

The Bulgarian term means lower education than the Bachelor's degree, but still a college degree. It seems to me that the Associate Degree is the closest.

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Note added at 9 hrs (2008-05-20 04:44:44 GMT)
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Actually, there is a difference between a college and a university. You cannot earn a Bachelor's degree at a college.

Please see part of the definition of this word.

college
1. an institution of higher learning, esp. one providing a general or liberal arts education rather than technical or professional training. Compare university.
2. a constituent unit of a university, furnishing courses of instruction in the liberal arts and sciences, usually leading to a bachelor's degree.
3. an institution for vocational, technical, or professional instruction, as in medicine, pharmacy, agriculture, or music, often a part of a university.
Peer comment(s):
agree Yavor Dimitrov : A degree granted usually by two-year colleges or the first step towards a bachelor's degree.
1 hr
neutral Ivan Klyunchev : В този въпрос се пита за "полувисше образование" все пак. А за степента има горе в примера от Лингво 12, който дадох.
6 hrs
agree Krasimira Kalcheva
8 hrs
agree palilula (X)
7 days
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-2
4 hrs

vocational education

vocational education-for North America
college- for Bulgaria
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:S5kF2kLhYkYJ:en.wikipedi...
15. College of Tourism - Bourgas - in the structure of Prof. Zlatarov University
8000 Bourgas, Ezero Park, tel.: 056/ 248 06, fax: 056/ 297 32 http://www.btu.bg/bg/Strukture/Tourcollege/trcollege.htm

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ЗВО – Преходни и заключителни разпоредби

§ 5. Дипломи за полувисше образование, издадени от полувисши институти до влизането на този закон в сила, дават правата на завършили образователна степен „специалист по...”
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:pwDHgc7S96gJ:www.nursing...

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Да припомним, че преди демократичните промени колежите бяха полувисши училища, които даваха полувисше образование на възпитаниците си в професии, изискващи специализирана подготовка. Познанията на полувисшистите им осигуряваха - и тогава, и сега - знания и умения на изпълнителски кадри в съответната професия.
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:mhkxxkdQpyAJ:www.uchenik...
Peer comment(s):
neutral Krasimira Kalcheva : DEFINITION: Education that prepares people for professions that are NON-ACADEMIC AND DIRECTLY related to a trade, occupation or vocation.
3 hrs
Vocational education has diversified over the 20th century and now exists in industries such as retail, tourism, information technology, funeral services and cosmetics, as well as in the traditional crafts and cottage industries.
disagree palilula (X) : Vocational is a lower level of school training than AAS (AAS is Associate of Applied Science;I believe there is Associate of Arts, as well).
7 days
what do you mean by AAS? Vocational is not a degree, this describes the type of education
disagree Yatagan : Vocational Education equals Техникум
19 days
who told you? any references?
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