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Glossary entry

Italian term or phrase:

saper essere - saper far fare

English translation:

can be - can do - can get done

Added to glossary by Rossella Mainardis
Jul 10, 2008 15:27
15 yrs ago
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Italian term

saper essere - saper far fare

Italian to English Other Education / Pedagogy education - knowledge management
The present project will mainly focus on:
• ridare dignità culturale alle discipline tecnico-scientifiche in modo da riappropriarsi dei valori del sapere, del saper fare, del saper essere e del saper far fare; della loro trasferibilità nel mondo dell’educazione e della formazione in tutte le sue esemplificazioni. L’obiettivo è quello di far sì che tutti gli attori che compongono tale sistema, agiscano con l’intento di rilanciare il potere formativo delle discipline tecnico-scientifiche ricercando le strategie affinché gli stessi contenuti disciplinari divengano ispiratori di metodi didattici, coniugando il rigore con la semplicità.

sapere= knowledge
saper fare= know-how
saper essere= può andare 'self-knowledge'?
saper far fare= ho pensato a 'knowledge sharing? - ma anche 'know-how to direct others'?? HELP!!!
Proposed translations (English)
3 +4 can be - can do - can get done
3 +3 Leadership skills, knowledge and performance
3 +1 knowledge of how to get things/it done
3 +1 competence/teaching
4 in such a way as to apply ICT to education and training
4 -1 know how to be - know how to help others OR know how to allow others to be
3 personal and interpersonal skills
Change log

Jul 24, 2008 06:47: Rossella Mainardis Created KOG entry

Proposed translations

+4
7 mins
Selected

can be - can do - can get done

nei corsi di aggiornamento per esl Teachers, questi sono concetti comuni. Forse, potrebbe trovare applicazione nella tua traduzione.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Paul O'Brien : like in the british army: "i'll tell you what you're going to do, i'll tell you what you're doing and i'll tell you what you've done".
1 hr
...that's because you may not know what we say in the South African army :-)
agree Monia Di Martino : A me piace.
3 hrs
Grazie Monia, anche a me piace :-)
agree Gina Ferlisi
6 hrs
Thanks Gina
agree Umberto Cassano
22 hrs
Thanks Umberto
agree Katia Tolone
3 days 2 hrs
Thanks Katia
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+1
28 mins

knowledge of how to get things/it done

a bit long-winded so perhaps you could leave out the knowledge and go with the value of getting things done, self-knowledge seems fine to me for saper-essere
Example sentence:

although by no means a perfectionist john was an expert in getting things done

Peer comment(s):
agree Monia Di Martino : Good for me for "saper far fare".
2 hrs
Thanks monia
neutral Paul O'Brien : yeah, i think we're on the right track here. but "knowledge of how to get things done" is "organisational skills".
7 hrs
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-1
44 mins

know how to be - know how to help others OR know how to allow others to be

I believe this is actually two questions, so I have put two options here.

Sapere essere - to know how to be (by "be" it could mean comportment or act or another similar term).

Saper far fare - this could actually be two different things.
My dictionary gives an example of "far fare" for the case of "helping" someone or something as in the one I gave above...
OR
It also has the example of "far fare" for the case of "permission"


Hope this helps somewhat!
Peer comment(s):
disagree Paul O'Brien : know how to be? know how to allow others to be? come on trish. a cross between socrates and some mad early christian theologian.
39 mins
Yeah alright... I know what I meant but it doesn't sound the way it should!
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2 hrs

personal and interpersonal skills

saper essere - application of personal skills and abilities in order to become something in life.
saper far fare - using interpersonal skills in communication and interaction with others.
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+1
3 hrs

competence/teaching

saper essere= competence/expertise/proficiency

saper far fare= teaching

Per me saper far fare (e concordo con Paul su rubbish!) corrisponde a mettere in grado di, ovvero: insegnare
Io la vedo così.

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Note added at 4 hrs (2008-07-10 19:54:24 GMT)
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Mi soggiunge ora...anche "mentoring" per "saper far fare"
Well, HTH.. buon lavoro
Peer comment(s):
agree Paul O'Brien : yeah, agree sort of. with the new info re computer sciente we need refine it and say ICT skills. "saper far fare". che ridere. avrebbe dovuto dire "dover saper far fare", tanto per aggiungerne un altro e cercare di essere più sofisticato ancora.
4 hrs
:)
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+3
43 mins

Leadership skills, knowledge and performance

as regards the original italian, i don't think i've ever read so much rubbish in my entire life.

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Note added at 43 mins (2008-07-10 16:11:01 GMT)
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btw, my proposed answer covers "del sapere, del saper fare, del saper essere e del saper far fare".

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Note added at 7 hrs (2008-07-10 23:21:26 GMT)
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yes, roberta, it would be known as something like "application of ICT to education": i.e. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="application of ICT to ...
but the writer of the orignal has gone of his/her rocker. i'd love to know what he/she is on so i could start taking it myself. god what waffle.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-07-10 23:37:49 GMT)
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tanto per precisare, non c'è nessuna traduzione "ufficiale" per quelle sciochezze. l'autore ha bisogno di un medico. ha troppo tempo a disposizione e non sa cosa farne. se fosse un soldato semplice nell'esercito britannico, il suo comandante gli farebbe: "You, come with me ... ."
Note from asker:
non sapevo di aver sollevato un tale dibattito! concordo con rubbish, ho tradotto di peggio comunque...anyway, questi 4 'tipi' di conoscenza rientrano nello studio delle scienze informatiche, nella knowledge management per la precisione, quindi ci dovrebbe essere da qualche parte una 'traduzione'/versione ufficiale in inglese 'nite roberta
Peer comment(s):
neutral Patrick Freeman : don't you think you're deviating from the (admittedly ridiculous) original? Hi Pauley, I'll tell you what you've written, then I'll tell you what I'm going to write...Sir
32 mins
hi patty. no, i think the original has deviated from sanity. needs to be brought back on track and we shouldn't allow such wishwash and drivel to determine what we write.
agree texjax DDS PhD : agree with rubbish :) /you're suuuch a gentleman! :)
2 hrs
why thank y'all mame. much oblaaaged.
agree Dana Rinaldi : ...
5 hrs
great minds think alike.
agree Gina Ferlisi : Certainly agree with you :)
5 hrs
yeah, welcome to the crusade against waffle.
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8 hrs

in such a way as to apply ICT to education and training

now that we have a bit more context i would like also to propose this:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="application of ICT to ...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="application of ICT to ...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="application of compute...

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-07-10 23:31:47 GMT)
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my proposal covers all of the following: "in modo da riappropriarsi dei valori del sapere, del saper fare, del saper essere e del saper far fare; della loro trasferibilità nel mondo dell’educazione e della formazione in tutte le sue esemplificazioni".

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Note added at 8 hrs (2008-07-10 23:44:50 GMT)
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i've thought of another one: "valori del sapere, del saper fare, del saper essere, del saper far fare, del saper far far essere, del far sapere far essere, del saper far fare agli altri essere capaci di sapere, saper fare, saper essere, saper far fare, saper far far essere, e, infine, far sapere far essere agli altri quelli che sanno di essere o non essere, essendo quella la domanda (da fare o farsi fare).

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Note added at 17 hrs (2008-07-11 09:20:38 GMT)
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ah ha!! i knew it had to be a wordy priest or lackey thereof. see my comment on trish's answer. nutty theologian is right. ha! ontological claptrap. transferring their "godly" ideas onto computers now. is there any end to it? lord grant me patience (o la pazienza di saper essere paziente e far sapere avere pazienza).
Note from asker:
Ok, rrrright...I'll tell you something...this lad was my catechism teacher when I was a child! Now he is a renowned engineer and docente at college. But still this is not enough for you, is it? ah ah ah
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