Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

lanternon

English translation:

(small) lantern

Added to glossary by Miranda Joubioux (X)
Jun 7, 2010 11:45
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French term

lanternon

French to English Tech/Engineering Architecture
Vous y entrerez par l'arc de triomphe, très représentatif de l'art de la Renaissance avec sa galerie à balustres flanquée aux extrémités de lanternons

I found a page on Wikipedia about 'lanterne'
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanterne_(architecture)

and I am wondering are they referring to clerestory or is there a more precise way of saying this?
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Discussion

Ben Lenthall Jun 10, 2010:
Voici la définition de lanternon (dictionnaire de l’architecture) : Petite construction élancée en forme de lanterne, installée au sommet d’un toit et percée de fenêtres. Une coupole est souvent éclairée par un lanternon aménagé au sommet d’un dôme.
Alan Douglas (X) Jun 10, 2010:
Pity about that... and I thought that I really was on the right track. Based on the the image of the structure in Brittany, I can think of no precise architectural term which fits the bill other than "decorative lanterns", i.e. they have the form of small "lanterns" but a purely decorative function.
Miranda Joubioux (X) (asker) Jun 10, 2010:
Not THE Arc de Triomphe Hi Alan, you have obviously done quite a bit of research. Unfortunately, this doesn't refer to the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, but a structure in Brittany. There is a photo of it below. Thank you for the time and trouble you went to to answer this question.
Alan Douglas (X) Jun 10, 2010:
Clerestory windows Scroll down through this link for an original architect's cross-section of the Arc du Triopmphe. There are no "lanternons"; the flanking windows illuminate internal spaces and, while not at the highest level would be above head height internally. Given that they also fall within the clerestory zone externally, "clerestory window" seems to be the most appropriate term.

http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/lha_1...
Alan Douglas (X) Jun 10, 2010:
Having googled as many images if the Arc du Triomphe as I could find there is no evidence of anything that could be described as "lanternons" or any or the suggested translations (including my own). The only possible conclusion that the original author used the term without actually knowing what it means.

At clerestorey level, above the main cornice, centred on each side (flank) is a 'window' or 'opening', which could be described as just that. In this instance it seems probable that, internally, the windows provide high-level illumination to spaces below. In that instance they are "clerestory windows" or "clerestory lights".

All of us are busily trying to find the correct translation for a term which was incorrect in its choice in the first place. Hence no glossary entry possible on this one. Personally I would go with "clerestory window" on the basis of author's intent rather than the word that was actually used.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/4a/A...

http://architecture.about.com/od/structural/g/clerestory.htm
B D Finch Jun 7, 2010:
Light? They look to me as though they probably do let extra light into stairwells on either side of the structure. Small lantern (turrets) seems right to me.
Evans (X) Jun 7, 2010:
Yes I agree. Here they do seem to be purely decorative, but they are obviously being given the name because that it is what their design derives from.
Ben Lenthall Jun 7, 2010:
It's interesting though isn't it, in that the prime function of a lantern is to give out or let in light which is not the case here at all as the "lanternons" seem purely decorative. Yet they're clearly not cupolas either. Yes, I'd still stick to 'small (decorative) lantern towers' I think.
Miranda Joubioux (X) (asker) Jun 7, 2010:
Picture I have managed to find a picture of the 'lanternon' in question here.
http://www.bretagne.feroc.com/IMG/jpg/enclos2.jpg
It is neither a dome nor a latern light, and it is in a very odd place.
I think 'small lantern tower' is probably as close as I'll get.
Tony M Jun 7, 2010:
Lantern As far as I can see, these are what we would call lanterns — little raised things to let in light. However, I find it a little difficult to see just how such a think could ever be said to 'flank' anything...?

Proposed translations

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lantern

Terme : lanternon. Pluriel : lanternons. AAT : lanterns (roof appendages) RCHME : +/- lantern. Note explicative : Petite construction de plan centré et de ...
www.patrimoine-de-france.org/mots-archi-0-1251.html

Lanternon (lantern) : petite structure fenestrée en plan centré au faîte d'un toit ou d'un dôme; petite coupole. Lieu patrimonial (historic place) ...
www.pc.gc.ca › ... ›

http://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-eng.html?la...
Peer comment(s):

agree Evans (X) : This is the correct term. See definition in reference below.
22 mins
Thanks Gilla.
agree Chris Hall
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Thanks Chris.
agree Jack Dunwell : Like Ely Cathedral (if I remember correctly!)
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Thanks Fourth.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, and thanks to Gilla for the reference. I have since found many examples that show that I don't need to mention tower or turret. The picture I posted in the discussion, clearly shows these two decorative lanterns. They are certainly not used to provide light. I decided against cupola, since this makes me think of a dome or at least a rounded structure, and this is not the case. Thank you all for your help. Until I found the picture, I was at a bit of a loss."
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small lantern tower

Such towers or small cupolas were used to bring increased light to the interior of spaces open to the roof.
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lantern light; dome lantern

If it is as described in your Wiki text (corroborated by one of my small architectural dictionaries) – though this is far from obvious from your text – it would be a "dome lantern" such as that atop the dome of the cathedral in Florence (picture here):

Florence Cityscape With The Brunelleschi Duomo Cupola Stock Photography ... Facade of the Duomo of Florence with the DOME LANTERN and bell tower Stock ...
www.worldofstock.com/closeups/ADT507

Or atop the Washington Capitol as here:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia....

Otherwise, in a more mundane context (rooflight) - which would better match your galerie - , it would be a "lantern light":

LANTERN LIGHT A roof light constructed like a lantern with fixed and/or opening glazing. Lap The overlap of slates, tiles and other coverings. ...
en.mimi.hu/architecture/lantern.html

LANTERN LIGHT. A rectangular projection on a flat roof, usually with vertical sides and wholly or partly glazed to admit light and air to the building ...
www.duluxtrade.co.za/support/ask/glossary/glossary_l
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lantern turret

Lots of ghits and here are some pictures


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Note added at 3 hrs (2010-06-07 15:43:57 GMT)
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The idea of "small" is incorporated in the word "turret".
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agree ACOZ (X)
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Thanks ACOZ
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(small) cupola

The 2 Wikiperia references make the distinction between a "lanterne" and its smaller cousin the "lanternon" or "lanterneau". All can be translated by "cupola" (with or without the adjective depending on context). This is the correct term used by architectural specialists in English: in common with much terminolgy relating to classical architecture, it is a loan word from Italian. The term "lantern" can be used in English but is less specific in its usage and can refer various types and forms of rooflight structure.


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Note added at 2 jours22 heures (2010-06-10 09:50:32 GMT) Post-grading
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I am going to retract this one. The translation of "lanternon" as (small cupola" may be correct but, in this instance, the original auther used the term without understanding its meaning. Please see discussion entries.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

lanterns

This is a specific architectural term.

My Oxford Dictionary of Architecture designs it thus:

A lantern is
1. Any structure rising above the roof of a building and having apertures in its sides by which the interior of the building is ventilated or illuminated.
2. Any such structure whether lighting an interior or not, such as the upper part of cathedral or church towers, especially those treated in a light, almost transparent way, usually octangonal uppermost stages.
3. By extension, the upper structure on top of a cupola.

They are not the same things as cupolas, which are a different shape.
Note from asker:
Thanks Gilla, I looked it up in my Harris Dictionary of Architecture and found it very vague. This is much better.
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