Glossary entry

français term or phrase:

sauf à ce que soient précisés

anglais translation:

subject to their identity being specified

Added to glossary by Wendy Streitparth
Nov 8, 2010 13:39
13 yrs ago
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français term

sauf à ce que soient précisés

français vers anglais Droit / Brevets Droit (général)
This is from a legal document appointing an expert to perform an appraisal following a house fire.

The expert is assigned to interview all those with knowledge of the case:

"sauf à ce que soient précisés leur identité, et s'il y a lieu leur lien de parenté, d'alliance, etc. avec les parties..."

I'm assuming that this is "on condition that their identity be known..."
Thanks!
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Nov 20, 2010 12:57: Wendy Streitparth Created KOG entry

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Ysabel812 (asker) Nov 8, 2010:
Avec mission de recueillir tous renseignements utiles à la charge d'en indiquer la source, d'entendre tous sachants sauf à ce que soient précisés leur identité, et s'il y a lieu leur lien de parenté, d'alliance, etc., avec les parties à l'effet de:

Then follows a list of the expert's responsibilities.
Thanks!
AllegroTrans Nov 8, 2010:
Can we have the rest of the sentence please? It makes a difference as to whether this translates "on condition that" "unless" "provided that" etc. etc.

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subject to their identity being specified

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agree AllegroTrans
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Thanks AllegroTrans
agree mimi 254
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Thanks Mimi
neutral Andrew Bramhall : Identities are checked, established, proven, etc, but not usually specified.Credentials etc are checked out after being specified, but when are people ever asked to 'specify' their identity ? //@PHILGODDARD-No misunderstanding, 'leur' being the giveaway.
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specified in the sense of "mentioned particularly" (Chambers Dictionary)
agree philgoddard : I would have said "unless", but that doesn't make sense in the context. Oliver: I think you've misread the text - we're talking about specifying other people's identities, not one's own.
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Nice to hear from you Phil, thanks.
agree Imanol
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Many thanks Imanol
agree GeoS
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Thank you GeoS
agree Gina W
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Thank you gad
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Unless their identity has been established

...In the sense of ' proven'.
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unless

provided that their identity and ties be kept confidential.
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neutral writeaway : so which is it? unless or provided? they aren't interchangeable terms in English and so much confidence for 2 different answers is confusing
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no 2 different answers, 2 alternatives, provided that .... ... kept confidential / unless ...... is disclosed
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unless (their identity and any relation etc.) are specified

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agree silifke63 (X)
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except to thoose whose identity has been established

sugg.
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Expert inscrit sur la liste des experts de la Cour d'Appel, avec faculté de s'adjoindre, en cas de nécessité, tout sapiteur de son choix et mission de recueillir tous renseignements utiles à charge d'en indiquer la source, d'entendre tous sachants sauf à ce que soit précisée leur identité et s'il y a lieu, leur lien de parenté, d'alliance, de subordination ou de communauté d'intérêt avec les parties

http://www.easydroit.fr/jurisprudence/chambre-commerciale-2-...
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree philgoddard : Thanks - it makes a lot more sense now.
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agree AllegroTrans
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